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Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by 308cool » 25 Sep 2016, 8:11 pm

Hey Guys,
Went to the gun store the other and had a feel of the new sauer 100 xt, and have to say I thought it felt a lot better then the tikka t3x and browning x-bolt. The bolt was very smooth and the rifle felt light. However I forgot to ask the dealer what the difference is between the sauer 100 and 101? I can't find much info about them on the net. Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by bigfellascott » 26 Sep 2016, 6:38 am

I've been eyeing off one of these too, looks like a nice bit of kit (I like the timber version) but could probably live with the plastic fantastic if it's of decent quality.
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Bigjobss » 26 Sep 2016, 7:41 am

I was looking at these recently too, the 100 has a few less bolt lugs and has a different safety design which sounded fine to me because it still locks the sear and allows you to cycle the bolt with the safety engaged like Winchester M70s do, which I like.
Apart from that Im not sure, I know the stocks are definitely cheaper which is what turned me off, I really didnt like the look and feel of the stained beech.
If you look around you may get the 101 for similar $$, in the August SSAA magazine I saw a new one for around $1200- $1300 from a mob in NSW
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by 308cool » 05 Oct 2016, 11:11 am

Message from OSA as to how the 100 is different to the 101. The 100 has:
'Safety is on the right hand side of the bolt on the 100, the barrel is blued, the stock has a slightly different finish and the barrel is attached via threading on the 100 where as the 101 is a pinned barrel. That’s the main difference.'
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Bigjobss » 05 Oct 2016, 7:27 pm

Interesting response, no mention of the bolt lugs, no mention of safety design and the comment on "just a different stock finish" is way off because its completely different type of wood!
Check out the Sauer official site and pull up the specifications of both models and compare them, its all there
http://www.sauer.de/us/products/bolt-action-rifles.html
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Gwion » 06 Oct 2016, 9:50 am

100 = $1300-1500
http://www.sauer.de/en/products/bolt-ac ... tures.html

TECHNICAL DATA

Caliber groups / Bolt heads
Mini: .222 Rem., .223 Rem.
Medium: .243 Win., .270 Win., .308 Win., .30-06, 6,5 Creedmoor, 6,5x55, 8x57IS, 9,3x62
Magnum: 7 mm Rem. Mag., .300 Win. Mag.

Classic Model with dark-stained beechwood stock
Neutral cast for both left- and right-handed shooters
Cold hammer-forged original SAUER barrel
Three-position safety
Three-lug bolt head
60 degree bolt lift
EVER REST action bedding
Trigger adjustable from 1000 to 2000 grams (2.2 - 4.2 lbs)
double-stack magazine
5+1 round capacity in Mini and Standard calibers
4+1 round capacity in Magnum calibers
Suitable for all Remington 700 scope bases. We recommend the SAUER Hexalock mount

Versus

101 = $1700-2100
(See video: in German but the pictures say a thousand words)
http://www.sauer.de/en/products/bolt-ac ... tures.html

TECHNICAL DATA

Caliber groups / Bolt heads
Medium 22-250 Rem. // .243 Win. // .270 Win. // 7x64 // .308 Win. // .30-06 Spring. // 6,5x55SE // 8x57IS // 9,3x62
Magnum 7 mm Rem. Mag. // 300 Win. Mag. // .338 Win. Mag

Machined steel receiver
Precisely rifled barrel
Matte black finish
6-lug bolt locks directly into the barrel
60° bolt rotation
DURA SAFE direct firing pin safety
EVER REST action bedding
Crisp 2 lb trigger pull
14.4 in length of pull
Ambidextrous stock with symmetrical palm swells
Removable double-stack magazine
5 + 1 capacity with Standard calibers / 4 + 1 capacity with Magnum calibers
Accepts Remington 700 long action scope base mounts
Optional adjustable open sights
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by bigfellascott » 06 Oct 2016, 9:54 am

I like these rifles and will definitely be looking at one down the track (probably in 308 or 6.5x55).

Oh I think I just got a chubby! This I like very much :D
http://www.sauer.de/en/products/bolt-ac ... tures.html
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by glidagida » 06 Oct 2016, 11:26 am

Bigjobss are you sure that wasn't the XT100? If it was the 101 can you let me know who it was?
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Gwion » 06 Oct 2016, 11:56 am

bigfellascott wrote:I like these rifles and will definitely be looking at one down the track (probably in 308 or 6.5x55).

Oh I think I just got a chubby! This I like very much :D
http://www.sauer.de/en/products/bolt-ac ... tures.html



I was looking at the same thing as a factory varminter...... at least i can dream.....
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by bigfellascott » 06 Oct 2016, 12:39 pm

Gwion wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:I like these rifles and will definitely be looking at one down the track (probably in 308 or 6.5x55).

Oh I think I just got a chubby! This I like very much :D
http://www.sauer.de/en/products/bolt-ac ... tures.html



I was looking at the same thing as a factory varminter...... at least i can dream.....


I'm hearing ya G - dreams can come true and man is that a nice looking shooter right there! might need to start implementing a savings plan I think :D

Just had a look at that shop in Qld has them in SS thumbhole stock for $1990 and in 308 - fark I'm tempted!!! :D
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by 308cool » 06 Oct 2016, 12:46 pm

Great discussion,
let me just add that I'm talking about the synthetic stock versions for both rifles.
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Gwion » 06 Oct 2016, 12:58 pm

Looks like they are both fitted to the same synthetic stock with the same bedding system.
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Bigjobss » 06 Oct 2016, 1:26 pm

glidagida wrote:Bigjobss are you sure that wasn't the XT100? If it was the 101 can you let me know who it was?
Cheers

This was from August...
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by scotty87 » 06 Oct 2016, 8:30 pm

Only review I've seen so far on the Sauer 100, be one to consider if in the market for a tikka. Sauer 100
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by glidagida » 06 Oct 2016, 8:32 pm

Big jobs, thanks for that.

Rang Magnum and they are pretty much out of stock.

If you want a 101 cheap the time may have passed.

The 100 looks pretty good though, check
https://youtu.be/M-YFBHCSzcg

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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Gwion » 06 Oct 2016, 8:56 pm

Just too bad they don't come in a lefty...
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Carter » 07 Oct 2016, 2:18 pm

Gwion wrote:Just too bad they don't come in a lefty...


Wasn't there supposed to be one "coming"?
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Gwion » 07 Oct 2016, 8:21 pm

We can only hope, Carter!
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by glidagida » 08 Oct 2016, 12:01 pm

Put a deposit down at Safari Arms for a synthetic Classic XT 100. The stock is the same as the 101 minus the soft feel coating, bolt is the same but has only 3 lugs instead of 6, safety is on the side but basically give the same function as the 101.
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by 308cool » 08 Oct 2016, 8:38 pm

Will the 3 lugs vs 6 lugs cause any noticeable difference in the operation/accuracy?
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by glidagida » 10 Oct 2016, 7:50 am

@308Cool
In Europe the 100 has a 3 shot sub MOA guarantee on NORMAL FACTORY ammo, not handloads. The 101 has a 5 round guarantee.
As the 100 has the same bolt, except for the lugs, the same stock, the same bedding system, and the same barrel, I figured it was not worth the extra for the 101. In .243 the only 101 I could find was $2,000, the 100 was under $1,200.
The accuracy tests are not there yet because it's so new, but the one from the UK showed subMOA in a raging gale. The wind was so strong his observer could not keep the sighting scope tripod stable enough to sight the target. The gun was an early production gun taken straight from the cargo hold of a plane to the range, no special setting up. Under those conditions you would be amazed if a gun shot subMOA. :thumbsup:
The other accuracy test was by Sauer USA where they took 2 x 100's to a 1,000 yard tactical shooting contest, I think the targets were 300, 600, 800 and 1,000 and they hit everything with basic hunting guns. It looks like they were using a good scope on standard Leupold rings and bases.
It's around the same price as a Tikka and better built from what a gunsmith said who sells both.
The remaining guns in both varieties are becoming scarce with the first shipment sold out in some shops, which is why I put my dosh down.
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Post by bigfellascott » 10 Oct 2016, 8:01 am

308cool wrote:Will the 3 lugs vs 6 lugs cause any noticeable difference in the operation/accuracy?
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Not enough to worry about on a hunting rifle in my opinion, well worth looking at for the $$. :thumbsup:
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by 308cool » 10 Oct 2016, 11:10 pm

Sounds great!!
Yeah, in the store (safari firearms) I definitely thought it felt better then the browning x-bolt, tikka t3x, vanguard s2 etc. All around the same price so it looks like a nice bit of kit!
@glidagida let us know how it goes once you pick it up.
Cheers for all the help everyone,
much appreciated!
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by brett1868 » 11 Oct 2016, 7:42 am

Just had a look at that shop in Qld has them in SS thumbhole stock for $1990 and in 308 - fark I'm tempted!!! :D


You've been good all year and Christmas is coming, you owe it to yourself to buy one :)
I played with one of these at Magnums (They must get sick of me constantly fondling their stock) and they looked and felt very nice. I initially dismissed them as being a "budget" class rifle when compared to say a Sako but I've learnt that price has no bearing on accuracy. I'd be very interested to hear from someone that owns and shoots the Sauer. The S101 in 300WinMag with the threaded barrel would be top on my list, can use a brake now and ready for the silencer in the future. Thanks to the OP for bringing this manufacturer to light :)
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Releb » 11 Oct 2016, 2:25 pm

308cool wrote:Will the 3 lugs vs 6 lugs cause any noticeable difference in the operation/accuracy?
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Nah.
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by bigfellascott » 17 Oct 2016, 6:07 pm

Anyone know what sort of mounts you can put on the 100's?
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by Gwion » 17 Oct 2016, 6:34 pm

Would have to double check but i think they are Rem compatible.

Yep... my post on the last page. Rem 700 compatible.
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by bigfellascott » 17 Oct 2016, 7:52 pm

Gwion wrote:Would have to double check but i think they are Rem compatible.

Yep... my post on the last page. Rem 700 compatible.


Thanks G I had a quick look and you are spot on - which I'm glad about as they are reasonably priced and have always worked for me.
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by glidagida » 26 Oct 2016, 2:47 pm

This is the review that finally did it for me, talking about the Sauer 101:

We shot the rifles with Federal Classic, Federal Fusion, Hornady and Norma. While some rifles liked some ammo better, all of them passed the MOA test with all of the ammo. And our testing equipment was nothing fancy—a solid bench, sandbag rests and a Zeiss Duralyt scope set on 10 power. We would shoot five shots, not let the barrel cool and shoot another group. We did this for hundreds of rounds until the rifle was so hot it would literally burn skin if you touched the barrel. This is something I normally wouldn’t do with my own rifle, but the engineers said, “Keep shooting, this is a good test.” So we did, taking turns loading and literally burning the rifle up. The result? After hundreds of shots of .30-06, the gun would still hold MOA and there was no perceptible point of impact shift from when we started with a cold barrel. That is a testament to a quality barrel.

Read more: http://www.petersenshunting.com/gear-ac ... z4OABzai8z
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Re: Sauer 100 vs 101

Post by bigfellascott » 26 Oct 2016, 5:41 pm

In the end I just went a Tikka T3X in 308 (hunter version with blue fluted stock) - I figured that would do for a walk around outfit to go chase some pigs and deer, dogs etc with. I also got some mounts, bag etc in the deal for nothing so happy enough with that, hopefully it shoots!

I was after something light and not too expensive and this fitted the bill for what I was after nicely (was originally looking at a SS fluted version in a Lam Stock but just wasn't willing to pay the asking price (about $400 more) - not worth it in my opinion.
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