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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Tillaan » 27 Oct 2017, 8:50 am

True !

I certainly want at least 1 303, my concern was if I would run into any issues getting approved for this many Cat B ? or if its inherited does that not count ?

Currently i have 1 x 223 approved (deposit paid not picked up)
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Post by Dunxy » 27 Oct 2017, 9:05 am

Id be happy to have any of them in my safe!
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by bladeracer » 27 Oct 2017, 9:09 am

Tillaan wrote:Hi All,

I recently got my A,B and once my wife's grandfather found out he was very interested in showing me his collection of rifles, but more interestingly wants me to take it over or help manage it once he pass's on (which may be soon unfortunately)

I have attached a pic of what he has and he gave me a rough list of them, I haven't had a chance to take a good look and get serials etc although I know they are all registered.

My main question is in your opinion what would you keep ? if any ?

I've already got the Lithgow 22 shown near the bottom which I'm going to clean and up use for plinking.

Thanks!


As already said, all of them are worth hanging onto, either for what they are, or for what they mean to your family.
I have three .22's that I only keep because they belonged to family going back to the thirties.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Supaduke » 27 Oct 2017, 10:00 am

You wouldn't have an issue getting permits for them all.
The 'unknown' one is a German K98 Mauser. They certainly look like they need a little TLC. Assuming they are in shootable condition, no reason to not keep them all.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Tillaan » 27 Oct 2017, 10:40 am

Thanks all
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Post by bladeracer » 27 Oct 2017, 5:54 pm

I got a phone call this arvo. My dealer just traded a "Mauser" real cheap and thought I might be interested before he puts it up for sale :-)
So I dashed in ASAP!
It's an Ankara in 8x57mm, and not original, but quite nice. And it shoots pretty good too.
It even came with twelve rounds of FMJ "FNM 9-69" surplus and six rounds of Winchester 170gn Powerpoint ammo.

I came home and grabbed some of my Lee 180gn cast, gas-checked bullets, in pure lead and 7-1/2 shot, on 36gn of AR2206H and went to try it out. They run around 1780fps and 2000fps in my M1904/39. In this one they ran around 1880fps and 2110fps.
I bore sighted it, and at 50m with the sight at 200m, the sight picture was about 300mm higher than the bore. First five lead rounds went into the dirt under my targets, about 500mm low. So I dragged the sight up to 800m and shot another group on the top right target for a 50mm group, 45mm low and 35mm to the right. Then I put five of the 7-1/2 shot loads on the top left target for a 50mm group 100mm low and 40mm to the right. If my Marlin .44 Magnum could shoot lead like this I'd be rapt with it :-)
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Supaduke » 27 Oct 2017, 6:43 pm

Cool. Pretty accurate for an old warhorse.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by bladeracer » 27 Oct 2017, 8:38 pm

Supaduke wrote:Cool. Pretty accurate for an old warhorse.


Been trying to work out what it is :-)
Seems to be a 1903/38, large ring, small shank.
The barrel is 22.25", which I assume has been cut as the crown is flat and in the white, with no noticeable chamfer to the bore or the outer edge. It has a fine bead foresight dovetailed onto a ramp - does not look military, but it does have grooves for a hood to slide in from the front. The stock has been cut just past the step in the barrel and the cleaning rod hole has not been plugged. A cheap sling swivel has been put into the wood very off-centre :-)

To bring it back to original I'd need a new stock, barrel, front sight, barrel bands, bayonet lug, etc. Perhaps one day, but for now I'll just enjoy shooting her :-)
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Post by No1Mk3 » 28 Oct 2017, 4:01 pm

G'day Supaduke, is that an original barrel? What stamps are on it? If it is original, the Turks were made to shoot a 150g projectile, my Turk never shot too good until I learnt this, and since changing loads has improved markedly. You're right about the foresight, it is not original. Cheers.
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Post by No1Mk3 » 28 Oct 2017, 4:06 pm

G'day Tillaan, The rifle your wife's Grandfather lists as unsure is a Mauser K98k 8mm. In case it hasn't been said enough, KEEP 'EM ALL! getting Permits shouldn't be too hard, tell the coppers you shoot Combined Services and need all of them for different comps.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by JimmyS » 28 Oct 2017, 4:21 pm

Lithgow SMLE Mk III

Just got her today, $700 flat.
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Post by bladeracer » 28 Oct 2017, 4:31 pm

No1Mk3 wrote:...is that an original barrel? What stamps are on it? If it is original, the Turks were made to shoot a 150g projectile, my Turk never shot too good until I learnt this, and since changing loads has improved markedly. You're right about the foresight, it is not original. Cheers.


If my barrel is not original they did a lot of work fitting the original rear sight to it. Pretty sure it's original, just shortened.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by bladeracer » 29 Oct 2017, 2:22 am

sungazer wrote:Have you found the MDF board the best as back boards for targets or just plain target boards. If painted are the weather proof. I was also considering ply, but think the exit would be really messed up and the form ply perhaps a bit expensive, chipboard I dont know either. I have been using an old door that I tied to a tree and kept patching with putty and repainting but the cows got to it and trashed it. Its good for new load development then I can move on to the gongs, then the range.


I just tape my targets to the MDF with insulation tape, but I can also simply stick adhesive dots to it if I want to. Generally though I prefer to tape four or six A4 pages up so any bullets that miss the target don't disappear among the plethora of pre-existing bullet holes in the board.

I put a fresh 600x1200mm sheet of 3mm MDF up on my new rubber bullet trap two weeks ago. It's had so far, 1630rds of .22LR, 65rds of .44 Magnum, 15rds of 8x57mm, 10rds of .303, 12rds of 7.62x54R and ten 12-gauge slugs, and has tons of life left in it yet. After a few hundred rounds at targets, most of your bullets are simply passing through the existing holes rather than making any new ones. I buy the sheets ten at a time as it's always useful to have on hand anyway, and it's about $3.50 a sheet from Bunnings.

I have shot at a variety of other boards as lots of junk gets brought out from town to the farm, like furniture, white goods, computers and such. Ply works okay but the grained surface doesn't take tape very well, and it tends to throw splinters when shot. Chipboard blows apart pretty badly, as does solid timber, which also makes big splinters. Sheet metal is quite good but will throw pieces of metal around. Formica and plastic sheets blow off pieces of plastic which then need cleaning up. Cardboard works in a pinch but doesn't stand up to wind or rain very well at all unsupported.

I shoot on my own property and don't want to leave a mess, and the MDF debris pretty much just turns to mush after a while, similar to layers of paper. As I also recover my bullets I don't want bits of metal debris laying about, which also messes up the metal detector. But even worse are splinters of wood, very annoying when sifting through dirt looking for bullets, particularly in our clay once it's wet.

As for weather-proofing it, I've never even considered it. It would probably cost more than the board costs anyway. I have some unpainted MDF that has been out in the Gippsland weather for exactly three years now. While the boards have certainly swelled significantly, they still protect the contents from the weather just fine. I think I'll have shot a board away long before the weather wore it down.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by No1Mk3 » 29 Oct 2017, 4:27 pm

G'day bladeracer,
Nice pics, your rear sight blade, does it have the 2000m markings? If so, it is a replacement done during 8mm conversion, the ammo for these rifles was 154g cupro-nickel over steel cored lead, and after 1949 they changed to 154g gilding metal steel core. These rifles were designated M1903/35 in Turkish service, the /38 was an American importers idea, they also made a Carbine version with a barrel very much the same length as yours. Would you mind if I send your serial number to a collector in the US? It may set the cat among the pigeons, as it falls inside the range, almost in the middle, for 1939 conversions of M1903. Might get a few heads scratching in the Turk Collector circle! Have added a pic of the M1903/35 Carbine, dated 1939. Thanks to Joe S. for the pic.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by bladeracer » 29 Oct 2017, 5:51 pm

No1Mk3 wrote:G'day bladeracer,
Nice pics, your rear sight blade, does it have the 2000m markings? If so, it is a replacement done during 8mm conversion, the ammo for these rifles was 154g cupro-nickel over steel cored lead, and after 1949 they changed to 154g gilding metal steel core. These rifles were designated M1903/35 in Turkish service, the /38 was an American importers idea, they also made a Carbine version with a barrel very much the same length as yours. Would you mind if I send your serial number to a collector in the US? It may set the cat among the pigeons, as it falls inside the range, almost in the middle, for 1939 conversions of M1903. Might get a few heads scratching in the Turk Collector circle! Have added a pic of the M1903/35 Carbine, dated 1939. Thanks to Joe S. for the pic.


Yep, 2000m sight ramp. I discovered that identifying the Turks is a very complicated trick but as near as I can get is a 1903/38. I did see a shorter barrel length, but this definitely looks to have been cut off on a lathe. Whatever details you need to identify it just ask and I'll look. Let anybody know that might be interested, I have no need to conceal my serial numbers.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 29 Oct 2017, 9:06 pm

My m39 took its first shots in 2017 :drinks:
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Supaduke » 29 Oct 2017, 9:14 pm

Love my m39. Beautiful looking rifles and shoot like stink. Nice one.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Wal » 30 Oct 2017, 10:20 am

How do we post pics?
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Post by Supaduke » 30 Oct 2017, 10:29 am

Instructions here.

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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Bigjobss » 20 Nov 2017, 5:19 pm

A few pics of my first milsurp discussed in another thread.
It is a very nice and original 8mm Mauser kar.98AZ (or to some kar.98a) made in Danzig 1912.
All matching numbers and original as far as I can tell that came from a very good home.

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Post by Bigjobss » 20 Nov 2017, 5:52 pm

Couple more pics because its still the first day of getting her home!

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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by juststarting » 20 Nov 2017, 6:05 pm

A little jelous.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Zarrs » 20 Nov 2017, 6:18 pm

juststarting wrote:A little jelous.

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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by N.Field » 20 Nov 2017, 7:39 pm

My Martini Enfield. Originally an 1873 built Martini Henry MkI, later converted to MkII that became a Martini Enfield in 1900.

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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Bigjobss » 20 Nov 2017, 8:00 pm

I know it's only early days but I am in love, I have wanted a German milsurp my whole life, even the missus is on board as she asked if we could keep it in the bedroom tonight :wtf: and she is not a shooter, had to remind her of the storage requirement laws.
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Supaduke » 20 Nov 2017, 9:44 pm

Very tidy rifle, I like it.

And as for the missus wanting to have it in the room, that sounds freaky deaky............ Get on board man, you may have awoken something ;).
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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by juststarting » 20 Nov 2017, 9:49 pm

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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by darwindingo » 21 Nov 2017, 1:23 am

Is that the last edition of the 2017 Shooterkini JS ?.... Is it still available in the red ? or did you get the last one... ? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P

Nice boots btw... :lol: :lol: :lol: :P

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Re: Show me your milsurps

Post by Daddybang » 21 Nov 2017, 6:55 am

Damn this thread!!!! after seeing some of the
Bewdiful rifles on here and shooting oldmates three oh I think I've developed the "Milsurp Itch" :lol: :drinks:
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Post by juststarting » 21 Nov 2017, 7:39 am

Daddybang wrote:Damn this thread!!!! after seeing some of the
Bewdiful rifles on here and shooting oldmates three oh I think I've developed the "Milsurp Itch" :lol: :drinks:


Nice. I'd start with a Mauser, Mosin and an Enfield. Nice classics, that set the tone. Of course there are lots of variants, models and makes of each, so that's a bonus, get to do a bit of reading and research :)
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