Supaduke wrote:Very nice rfle BR. I would dispute there being no collector value. Especially in Australia where '03's are fairly rare. They were refurbed professionally with good quality parts and as no.1 said are well regarded. I would think they will at the very least retain their value more so than a standard mass produced rifle and probably appreciate, albeit perhaps not as fast as an original. Either way, it looks good, hopefully it's a shooter.
Supaduke wrote:Come to the Anzac Day shoot at Little River
Supaduke wrote:Show up on the day. Get there about 9am. Small service then a 3p shoot and a bayonet shoot.
Last few years it's been
3p
10@300m prone
5@200m prone
5@200m sitting or kneeling
10@100m standing
Bayonet shoot
10@100m in 5 X 2 snap shoots
Then a BBQ lunch and trophy/medal presentation
Usually done by around 2pm
No free shooting as it's on a Wednesday and they open the range exclusively for the comp. Usually about $20 entry fee.
Military bolt rifles , no scopes or fancy after market sights.
We have an Anzac service at the beginning , raise the flag , say the ode etc.
It's an enjoyable way to spend Anzac Day. This will be my fourth and I really like it. All are welcome including unlicensed tag alongs.
Supaduke wrote:I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure there is a standard No.1 MkIII class and an open class. As well as the bayonet class.
You can only enter one rifle in each comp.(otherwise we would be there all day if everyone was shooting multiple rifles). I'm not sure if you can enter the standard .303 and open class or just one or the other.
No.1 is a bit more knowledgeable on the rules, he might be able to clarify.
No1Mk3 wrote:G'day bladeracer,
It is usual at ANZAC to shoot one rifle for 3P and one for the bayonet. However, there is almost always a spare spot in the last detail that you can shoot another rifle, but only your 1st shoot will count towards a prize. We shoot No1 rifles for the ANZAC Trophy, and any other military rifle for a prize. The bayonet shoot may be conducted with any as issued military rifle. If time allows there may also be a combined rifle and pistol event. We conduct this event to raise money for Legacy, and there is usually a raffle after lunch, so bring some coins, we generally raise around $1400 for the day and a cheque is presented to a Legacy representative at the next Springvale meeting. As for the targets, we use the standard CSD Core target, a 1200 x 1200 target having a 150mm V Bull, 300mm Bull, 600mm Inner, 900mm Magpie and 1200mm Outer, Cheers.
bladeracer wrote:Thanks No.1, I'll make up a target and do some practicing with all my milsurps to see which is most capable. I only have bayonets on the No.4 and the M91/30 at the moment.
bigrich wrote:hey BR, noticed you said you have a m38. is it a husky or a reworked gustav ? what sort of groups do you get at 100 and what load do you use in it ?
bigrich wrote:thanks BR, i got a m96 1909 gustav, looking at having a crack at millitary shoot this weekend. fitted a taller front sight and filed it down to give 2.7" high at 100.also narrowed it slightly to help my eyes. 49 yrs old and wearing glasses doesn't mix to well with old mauser millitary sights. not sure if modifying the sights is allowed, but at least i can shoot it well. used my favorite hunting ammo , norma 156gr vulkans and shot a 2." group at 100.with not much practice and my eyes, impressed the hell out of me. s&b fmj not so good.3.5" at 100. might get some sako hp target just for kicks to see what it will do.be a couple of weeks till i buy powder ,projectiles etc. will be loading for my mod 70 winchester hunter as well so i'll get lots of use out of 6.5 swede. you got me thinking about a m38 now. had one 30 years ago and could just about outshoot all my mates scoped rifles. your a bad influence BR, bad.
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.
Heckler303 wrote:That looks like it needs a good clean. Warm soapy water on that stock perhaps?
Gun-nut wrote:Mate that's bloody awesome! $1500 is great for an '03, even if its a rebuild. The originals are going for crazy amounts of money, and that's when you can find them. Keep us updated as I'd be very intrigued to see how it shoots. Congrats on the purchase.
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.
Heckler303 wrote:Is the bolt on that rifle smooth? I hear that they have some difficulty opening and during camming.
No1Mk3 wrote:G'day bladeracer,
most of DWM's records were lost in WW2, including the early 1900's. All that is known is that 100,000 rifles were produced and delivered to Portugal between 1904 and 1907, + 5000 in 7x57 for Brazil. The conversions, which were actually done in Portugal, were done ad hoc between 1940 and 1947 so checking serials will not help. A little trivia, they WERE going to convert them to 303 British! But they purchased a large lot of Mausers in 1937 and decided to stick with the Mauser cartridge. Cheers.
No1Mk3 wrote:G'day bladeracer,
best guess is DWM and Oberdorf's practice of numbering in 10000 lots, at a production estimate of roughly 2000 rifles per month. I'll let you work out the math. My 1904 is numbered 9738, and the 904/39 is B1207, so roughly 5th month of production, say mid 1904, and maybe 12th month of production for the /m39. that is about all I have been able to discover. There is a book on these models that could narrow that down but it is written in Portuguese. The Brazilian rifles are actually 1904 Vergueiro but chambered for the South Americans. From memory they were all Police rifles, and a large number were imported to the US. Cheers.
No1Mk3 wrote:G'day bladeracer,
Espingarda Mauser, M/904, M/904-39, M/937 E M/943, by Jaime Ferreira Regalada. If you can find it there is an essay on Portuguese firearms history by Major General Renato Pinto that had some info on these rifles also. I have a copy somewhere but again it is in Portuguese and I never got round to having it translated. Cheers.