Show me your milsurps

[Supaduke]

My 1944 Izhevsk made PU sniper.
This rifle had never been re furbished or mucked around with, it is as it was when made.
The special thing about the rifle is, that at once stage it was used, or at least in the hands of the German government, and according to the Mosin Nagant Forum in the USA, is one of only 3 known, to exist in the world.

Cool rifle, what actually makes it rare? Izzy manufactured?

[badczech]

My 1944 Izhevsk made PU sniper.
This rifle had never been re furbished or mucked around with, it is as it was when made.
The special thing about the rifle is, that at once stage it was used, or at least in the hands of the German government, and according to the Mosin Nagant Forum in the USA, is one of only 3 known, to exist in the world.

Cool rifle, what actually makes it rare? Izzy manufactured?

No, the extra proof markings that show the rifle was at one stage used by the Germans, or at least in their possession.

[badczech]

My 1944 Izhevsk made PU sniper.
This rifle had never been re furbished or mucked around with, it is as it was when made.
The special thing about the rifle is, that at once stage it was used, or at least in the hands of the German government, and according to the Mosin Nagant Forum in the USA, is one of only 3 known, to exist in the world.

What sort of groups does it shoot? Any more accurate than the M91/30?

with my reloads, at 100 yards.
probably why it was never refurbished.

[bladeracer]

with my reloads, at 100 yards.
probably why it was never refurbished.

Wow, that is outstanding. Way better than the rifle would have originally been speced to for a sniper system.

[juststarting]

3 holes? Please, 303 could do 1 hole! Off hand. With a bent barrel! This is pathetic.

Seriously though, fantastic and I am very envious. I think this is on the cards, I am thinking of selling my 91/30 to finance the sniper version. But I am a bit sceptical with everything I've seen to date. The rifles are fine. But I am not 100% convinced that the scope mounts they come with are not original. :/ The firstest of the first world problems here.

[bladeracer]

3 holes? Please, 303 could do 1 hole! Off hand. With a bent barrel! This is pathetic.

Seriously though, fantastic and I am very envious. I think this is on the cards, I am thinking of selling my 91/30 to finance the sniper version. But I am a bit sceptical with everything I've seen to date. The rifles are fine. But I am not 100% convinced that the scope mounts they come with are not original. :/ The firstest of the first world problems here.

Love it
I'd really like to throw a scope on my M91/30 just to see how accurate it can be.
I think mine shoots fairly well for iron sights at 100m, particularly with my eyesight. My groups tend to be about 50mm tall, but 160mm wide, which I put down to the difficult sight picture. With better sights I'm confident it should be able to keep them inside a 50mm circle, that's why I'd love to see what it could do with a scope.

[badczech]

Just for laughs.
Was watching Fox , few weeks ago, they were showing one of the 'surrender' stations set up by the Syrian Government, and look what showed up, in the hands of one the 'rebels'.

The machining on them is as rough as anything I have ever seen, but, they perform, where it matters, in the field.

[Supaduke]

Went to the Militaria fair in Altona on the weekend. Usual suspects were there. Not a bad selection of Milsurps. Was a stack of no.4's , more than usual.

I bought the 10th edition Hornady reloading manual and managed to haggle a good price on a pattern 1913 bayonet for my p14. In great condition, considering its over 100 years old.

P13 Bayonet

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Bayonet

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Bayonet and Scabbard

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Markings

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More markings

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Attached

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Scabbard has been blackened for parade usage I'm assuming. Bloody long implement, probably over 5ft long when attached. Got a feeling the pommel and hilt have been painted black as well, more research required there. Would make for quite an awesome pig stick I imagine.

[JJD]

No.4 Mk1*

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I got this yesterday.
My first Milsurp. Actually my first centerfire too.
Lee Enfield No.4 Mk1* .303 made by Savage in 1942.
It looks to be in pretty good condition. I'm new to all this but here are my findings.
It came with the remnants of a Parker and Hale target sight but is missing the windage adjustment/apature. As such I'm not going to be able to shoot it until I get a sight on it
Someone spent a bit of money on that sight so I'm hoping that means the rifle is a good shooter.
I've ordered an original Savage standard 300/600 yard battle sight.
Has matching bolt and receiver but I haven't checked the rest. I'd say the wood has definitely had a refinish. The only thing I can tell isn't original to the rifle is the front barrel band, its seems to have worn very differently to the rest of the metal like maybe it had different bluing? it also has C.E.W stamped on it, not sure what that means?
I've also noticed it has trouble feeding. Seems like the rounds are just too low in the magazine to be picked up by the bolt. Maybe I'm loading them wrong or the mag has some issues.
Overall I'm really happy with it and its great to have a piece of history

[juststarting]

Looks good to me, tbh. They are heaps of fun to shoot, with iron sights. Especially at anything that goes ding on the other end

[Supaduke]

Nice rifle. As far as feeding issues , adjust the front feed lips on the magazine. Gently bend them upwards a tiny bit at a time till it feeds correctly. Not uncommon for the feed lips to get bent down with repeated insertion into the rifle.

[juststarting]

Hehehe, you said repeated insertion.

[No1Mk3]

G'day JJD,
Your front band is English, made by C.E.Welstead (Code S126) of Croydon, UK. The 300/600 battle sight was an expediency, fitted during production and generally removed post-war. 1942 rifles could have left the arsenal with those or No1 sights (Singer type) marked with the Savage logo on the upper right corner. A new arm for your Parker Hale range sight can be found, but will not be cheap, I paid $85 for one recently without the diopter, nice looking rifle, enjoy! Cheers.

[Yipikaye]

I found my grandfathers bayonet recently. I was thinking the amnesty may be a good time to buy the rifle it used to be attached to. (was sold when he passed away).

I'm guessing it was a Lee Enfield No 1 Mk III? I can only vaguely remember it from my childhood.

[JJD]

Thanks for the info on the No.4 guys, much appreciated!

[Supaduke]

Hehehe, you said repeated insertion.

I just had a pleasant flashback of watching Beavis and Butthead and hearing them laugh

[juststarting]

I was looking at milsurps at a funshop, nothing interesting, bunch of molested sporters, people are retarded. And then I noticed a rifle with 7.62 stamped into the stock and immediately knew what it was and I had to have it, haggled it down too, so really happy with that.





Capital CE tells me it was made in Nazi Germany, in late 1943. Then it most likely ended up as parts (although bolt and receiver match, floor plate and safety thing do not) in Czechoslovakia. How do I know that? The 7.62 stamps and the Star of David above the Parteiadler. After WWII, Czechs sold their Mauser surplus to Israel (one of the first to recognise the new state). Israel then rechambered them into 308 to have a common caliber, hence the 7.62 stamps, Star of David stamp and obvious damage to the Parteiadler.

I can't tell from the stock, since bubba cut most of it off, but lack of disk on the butt and the shape of the butt plate also tells me it was the last ditch rifle...



Because Parteiadler is still clearly visible, it was the first batch of Mausers sold to Israel. It suggests that the rifle was German Mauser in full, rather than parts, but who knows… Later versions were stamped in Czechoslovakia, over the Nazi markings and assembled from leftover parts. This one most likely got stabbed with a chisel or a screwdriver by a soldier, since it’s still there.





Anyhow, I thought this is probably one of the most interesting Mauserss, considering it's ironic full circle history and multiple combat tours across EU and Middle East, all told through stamps and markings. And I had to have it, even if it's molested. Also, I'll get to restore the stock and make it into a nice looking little shooter, so there’s that silver lining.

More funs to come in a week or two

[Supaduke]

Interesting find, thanks for sharing.

[No1Mk3]

G'day juststarting,
Always interesting to follow the story of the markings. I must, however, question the use of "last ditch" for a 1943 rifle, when German production was still in full swing, especially for a Sauer & Son rifle like yours. The stock is unlikely to be original to the rifle, as it does show later production short cuts including the take down hole moved to the butt plate, but even so it is far from the true "Volksgewehr" of 1945! These rifles, apart from their WW2 use, were hard used by the Haganah in the fight for independance and when found in 8mm tend to show that use. After rebarreling to 7.62 from 1949, they were often issued mainly as reserve rifles and so are found in good shooting condition. It will be a good exercise to restore yours, and as the stock is most likely a replacement (pull the stock off and check the channel for a serial number) it will not matter if you replace it also, Cheers.

[juststarting]

Re Volksgewehr - you pretty much outlined my thinking process, probably with a little more realism. Late 1943 is a stretch for Volksgewehr to pass the sniff test, but the takedown hole on the butt plate is a clue that made me think it could have been out of circulation for a bit. That's what I was going by (hole in the butt plate), but it could be a bit of a stretch.

Re: reserves and good shooting condition. I'd argue that reserves would be doing a lot of the shooting... Especially the kibbutzniks. That out of the way, initial inspection of the bore - looks excellent for any rifle, especially a 70+yo battle one.

Regarding restoration, not sure I want to do anything to the gun, exception being oil and steel wool treatment. The stock I'll clean up, sand and reoil, it's banged up pretty bad and has no visible markings, so I'll go to town on it.

[Daddybang]

A nazi made rifle being used by the Israelies. .love the irony!!!

[360noscope]

Just picked this one up

[360noscope]

Styer m95 straight pull now just need to get some projectiles brass powder etc

[juststarting]

Nice. You'll struggle finding components for it. I picked up a bunch from a guy on firearmsales.com.au. I think he may still have some, DM me if you can't find it there and I'll send you his details. Awesome little hand cannon.

[360noscope]

Juststarting I have 50 rounds of German ammo some 1937 some 38 but can't shoot fmj at gun range

[juststarting]

Uh, yes, I too stocked up, from Rebbel

[juststarting]

What kind of militant gestapo monster range is that where you can't shoot fmj? WTF

[360noscope]

Nsw at Seaham ssaa range.will have to get what I can of the German ammo for now sort the rest out as I go still doing some research on it

[Supaduke]

Need some better pictures 360, can't see it. I like straight pulls.
That sounds dirty

[juststarting]

Oh, hello.