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What would you do?

Post by andym79 » 19 Feb 2017, 10:53 am

Hi guys if you had a 219 zipper barrel and a 25-35 barrel which would you put on a martini cadet and which on a marlin 336. I am having some trouble deciding. I figure you could probably wring more accuracy out of a 219 zipper on a scoped cadet than a 336 but is the zipper too much for a cadet?

And how accurate a load could i squeeze out of cast in a 25-35 on the cadet if I went that way?
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Re: What would you do?

Post by RoginaJack » 19 Feb 2017, 11:09 am

IMO, I'd put a 22LR barrel on the Cadet and just enjoy it. The others, wouldn't worry re cost a brass, reloading etc, etc.

I realise this isn't what you asked but, times have changed...
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Re: What would you do?

Post by duncan61 » 19 Feb 2017, 11:15 am

219 zipper on cadet would make a cool rifle
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Re: What would you do?

Post by duncan61 » 19 Feb 2017, 11:20 am

Is the cadet a bsa martini
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Re: What would you do?

Post by andym79 » 19 Feb 2017, 11:24 am

Yere a bsa martini. The zipper doesn't reach full potential in a lever like the 94 or 336 at least not in my opinion.
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Post by GLS_1956 » 19 Feb 2017, 11:57 am

I'd put the .219 Zipper on the Cadet, this would allow you to make optimal use of the cartridge, you could use spire pointed bullets. A Marlin in .25/35 would be pretty cool.
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Re: What would you do?

Post by straightshooter » 19 Feb 2017, 3:05 pm

Danger Will Robinson!
I severely doubt if any reputable gunsmith would agree to fit either in a cadet.
The barrel tenon is very thin on a cadet whereas both those cartridges have a case web size close to a 303. That would leave very little steel over the chamber.
A better option would be to set back and rechamber the 219 barrel to 218 bee or something similar.
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Post by duncan61 » 19 Feb 2017, 4:47 pm

I have looked it up and the zipper is based of the 30/30 case which is .506 inch and the 303 is .540 I am no expert but I thought the barrel was chambered and screwed in to the receiver and headspaced on the rim
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Post by andym79 » 19 Feb 2017, 4:57 pm

I think a good choice if you were to cut and rechamber would be the 5.6x50r its a fair bit thinner than the 219 zipper but gives up almost nothing ballistically. The 218 bee is good but it's not really zipper territory!
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Post by duncan61 » 19 Feb 2017, 5:13 pm

I believe he already has the barrel in 219 zipper.In a martini action it would be accurate
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Post by straightshooter » 19 Feb 2017, 9:17 pm

duncan61 wrote:I have looked it up and the zipper is based of the 30/30 case which is .506 inch and the 303 is .540 I am no expert but I thought the barrel was chambered and screwed in to the receiver and headspaced on the rim

Well firstly the rim size is of little relevance.
What is important is the base diameter which in the case of the zipper etc. is 0.422".
The barrel tenon on a Cadet is 0.750 x 14 TPI so that will make the minor diameter approximately 0.60".
So that then leaves an effective wall thickness over that part of the chamber of (0.6 - 0.422) / 2 = 0.089"
Not very thick and certainly not enough, in my opinion, to contain a cartridge with a maximum chamber pressure of 42 000 PSI.
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Post by duncan61 » 19 Feb 2017, 9:50 pm

Did you read the thread bentaz posted.The barrel he has is not a cadet barrel and anyhoo all he is doing is fitting something that is the same case just necked down
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Re: What would you do?

Post by snag » 25 Feb 2017, 11:23 pm

Hey andym79, I have a BSA cadet in .219 Zipper and it is scary accurate. Cases were a problem, but AV Ballistics do a really good conversion from Remington .30/30 brass at a good price . Just watch you don't load too hot or you have extraction problems (same as all martini cadet conversions). Great fun to shoot an obscure cartridge and it really does perform. The Zipper could well have been what the 22/250 is if they had have put it in bolt actions rather than levers. In the Martini action it is sweet and the cadet action is plenty strong enough to handle it. Thousands out there in all sorts of calibres.
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Re: What would you do?

Post by andym79 » 27 Feb 2017, 7:42 pm

Nice to hear from some one who has experience with one. I know that the zipper is a good cartridge and the 94 was never really a good choice for it.

A gunsmith in QLD, who I have used before does a few conversion, whereby he fits 94 barrels to cadet, I have a 94 in zipper and have been toying with the idea of getting him to fit it to a cadet. I am also considering having him shorten the barrel from 26" to 24" and chambering it in 5.6x50r, it just seems a bit more suitable for the cadet. The extra cost over him just fitting the zipper barrel, is probably not worth it really.

But you have no problems with feeding it?

I have had AV form me a few cases in the past, but I can not get him to reply the last 9 months.
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Post by Gamerancher » 28 Feb 2017, 11:05 am

So someone had a '94 in .219 zipper with 26" barrel and parted it out???
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Post by snag » 28 Feb 2017, 1:54 pm

Yeah, he's had a few problems and also changed his email address. All good now but, I'll pm you his email. The zipper isn't a problem to load, I'm using 19 grs of AR2207 behind 50 gr Hornady Z-Maxes and they work well.
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