Zilla wrote:It's a good, fast, flat shooting calibre and with 90+ grain pills it packs a punch.
petemacsydney wrote:I also wasn't sure of the etiquette on leaving a pile of mush behind in the bush or indeed on someone's property (who has allowed me to help with their pest problem). i presumed most hunters would tow out kills - i cant imagine a farmer would be pleased with dead mush attracting potentially other pests?
Norton wrote:.223 definitely won't be enough for boar. You'll be bouncing off bone and hide all over the place.
Do you ever imagine you'll want to hunt anything larger? Deer?
If you expect to get into this in the future .270 will do this for you also.
.243 is fine for small breeds of deer, but not enough for large Sambar or similar.
If you're not looking to get into that though, or are happy to buy a second rifle down the road, I'd also say the .243 for now.
AusC wrote:petemacsydney wrote:I also wasn't sure of the etiquette on leaving a pile of mush behind in the bush or indeed on someone's property (who has allowed me to help with their pest problem). i presumed most hunters would tow out kills - i cant imagine a farmer would be pleased with dead mush attracting potentially other pests?
Meh, in will just break down over time or more likely be eaten by something else within a night.
I wouldn't worry about attracting more pests. Killing one is going to be more of a loss to their numbers than feeding another.
Browning wrote:We do roo and pig culling all the time and neither the farmer or us has any inclination to clean up "carcasses".....
I guess it all depends on the owner but everywhere we go, as long as they ain't left on a track, no problems...
petemacsydney wrote:Thanks Norton. Been talking to a few mates who are shooters and looking around the threads. i'm actually thinking maybe i should go for 2 rifles. maybe start with a 223 for small game and then when I've got more experience step up to a 271 or 308 for larger stuff. i saw a few posts on various websites saying that if i use a 243 on bunnies that there may not be much left of the bunny and i'll be carrying it out in a plastic bag..
do you guys share the view that a 243 will shred a bunny to pieces? i guess it also depends on rounds?
petemacsydney wrote:thx mate. I don't think i'll be doing a lot of eating. Maybe the occasional bunny on toast or a fox curry, but i also wasn't sure of the etiquette on leaving a pile of mush behind in the bush or indeed on someone's property (who has allowed me to help with their pest problem). i presumed most hunters would tow out kills - i cant imagine a farmer would be pleased with dead mush attracting potentially other pests?
Gwion wrote:AusC wrote:petemacsydney wrote:I also wasn't sure of the etiquette on leaving a pile of mush behind in the bush or indeed on someone's property (who has allowed me to help with their pest problem). i presumed most hunters would tow out kills - i cant imagine a farmer would be pleased with dead mush attracting potentially other pests?
Meh, in will just break down over time or more likely be eaten by something else within a night.
I wouldn't worry about attracting more pests. Killing one is going to be more of a loss to their numbers than feeding another.
This is an old thread but this statement is very ill informed.
Leaving rotting flesh in grazing land can lead to issues for the grazier. Most obviously is the attraction of carcasses to scavenging predators like cats, dogs and foxes. A regular free feed for cats will encourage them to breed near by and increase the chances of a toxo issue within breed stock. Free feeds for dogs make them stronger, bolder and more territorial; more likely to successfully kill live stock. Same with foxes, they will more successfully raise young with free feeds.
The other less known issues involve the pathogens that can develop in ground that has rotting flesh left behind. These pathogens can linger long after the carcass has rotted and affect livestock.
duncan61 wrote:If the paddock gets mowed for baling old bones go flying and cause problems so it pays to move any carcasses
bigfellascott wrote:Gwion wrote:AusC wrote:petemacsydney wrote:I also wasn't sure of the etiquette on leaving a pile of mush behind in the bush or indeed on someone's property (who has allowed me to help with their pest problem). i presumed most hunters would tow out kills - i cant imagine a farmer would be pleased with dead mush attracting potentially other pests?
Meh, in will just break down over time or more likely be eaten by something else within a night.
I wouldn't worry about attracting more pests. Killing one is going to be more of a loss to their numbers than feeding another.
This is an old thread but this statement is very ill informed.
Leaving rotting flesh in grazing land can lead to issues for the grazier. Most obviously is the attraction of carcasses to scavenging predators like cats, dogs and foxes. A regular free feed for cats will encourage them to breed near by and increase the chances of a toxo issue within breed stock. Free feeds for dogs make them stronger, bolder and more territorial; more likely to successfully kill live stock. Same with foxes, they will more successfully raise young with free feeds.
The other less known issues involve the pathogens that can develop in ground that has rotting flesh left behind. These pathogens can linger long after the carcass has rotted and affect livestock.
I'd say written by someone who doesn't come off the land all the farms I visit have dead stock on them at one time or another, none get buried or anything special done to them, they are just left there to rot, same with pests, they lay where they fall 99% of the time or get dragged to kill piles where they rot.
A wannabe farmer from the city well they'd probably hold a funeral service for the pet chook or lamb I guess.
Gwion wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Gwion wrote:AusC wrote:petemacsydney wrote:I also wasn't sure of the etiquette on leaving a pile of mush behind in the bush or indeed on someone's property (who has allowed me to help with their pest problem). i presumed most hunters would tow out kills - i cant imagine a farmer would be pleased with dead mush attracting potentially other pests?
Meh, in will just break down over time or more likely be eaten by something else within a night.
I wouldn't worry about attracting more pests. Killing one is going to be more of a loss to their numbers than feeding another.
This is an old thread but this statement is very ill informed.
Leaving rotting flesh in grazing land can lead to issues for the grazier. Most obviously is the attraction of carcasses to scavenging predators like cats, dogs and foxes. A regular free feed for cats will encourage them to breed near by and increase the chances of a toxo issue within breed stock. Free feeds for dogs make them stronger, bolder and more territorial; more likely to successfully kill live stock. Same with foxes, they will more successfully raise young with free feeds.
The other less known issues involve the pathogens that can develop in ground that has rotting flesh left behind. These pathogens can linger long after the carcass has rotted and affect livestock.
I'd say written by someone who doesn't come off the land all the farms I visit have dead stock on them at one time or another, none get buried or anything special done to them, they are just left there to rot, same with pests, they lay where they fall 99% of the time or get dragged to kill piles where they rot.
A wannabe farmer from the city well they'd probably hold a funeral service for the pet chook or lamb I guess.
Every farmer I know has a designated area where they put dead animals. Usually either a pit or a pile, where they will periodically burn the remains. The dead are not left to rot in the paddock.
Personally, I have a gully with Devils in it, so they get a free feed every now and then.
Leaving dead to rot is poor practice.
in2anity wrote:Speaking as someone who grew up on a largish (3000acre) working property near Dunedoo, most dead stuff out in the paddocks stays where it falls. If its in a inconvenient position like close to a dam or somewhere where you would smell it regularly, then we used to drag it away to an out-of-the-way gully. Same goes for large cattle stations (which I've also worked on) - you only move em if they may compromise the water. I've never known any real farmer to do anything different to this - and when it comes to cropping and pasture (which you may bail) it doesn't really matter if there's a few bones mixed in, nobody ever even thought about that from memory. You don't run stock on crops or bailing pasture though so no dead sheep or cattle. I suppose you wouldn't wanna drop a deer a week before wind rowing / bailing, that's a very specific scenario though... I don't know any hobby farmers personally, so I can't comment on their perhaps extreme attitudes...