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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by halberg » 12 Dec 2016, 9:26 am

sandgroperbill wrote:They need to change it so that meat can be removed from properties. Wastage is pointless


Yep, idiotic.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by flutch » 04 Feb 2020, 3:01 pm

petemacsydney wrote: Maybe the occasional bunny on toast or a fox curry


Old thread I know, but wtf! People actually do this? Foxes would have to be one of the worst smelling animals and I couldn't even begin to imagine eating one, yuck
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Blr243 » 04 Feb 2020, 3:32 pm

With toast avocado and baileys Irish cream
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by bladeracer » 04 Feb 2020, 3:36 pm

flutch wrote:[quote="petemacsydney" Maybe the occasional bunny on toast or a fox curry[/quote

Old thread I know, but wtf! People actually do this? Foxes would have to be one of the worst smelling animals and I couldn't even begin to imagine eating one, yuck


If you're hungry enough maybe :-)
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by flutch » 04 Feb 2020, 3:51 pm

Fark yeah nah, I'll be right
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Bill » 04 Feb 2020, 4:06 pm

6.5 Grendel will do the job on all 3, ammo's getting cheap and more available, not alot of recoil and target work is where the Grendel shines at moderate ranges :thumbsup:
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by JimTom » 04 Feb 2020, 5:34 pm

Bill wrote:6.5 Grendel will do the job on all 3, ammo's getting cheap and more available, not alot of recoil and target work is where the Grendel shines at moderate ranges :thumbsup:


I am a fan of the Grendel too mate however I am not certain it will do the job of a .223 or .270 if that is what your post is getting at. Great cartridge though.
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Post by flutch » 04 Feb 2020, 5:41 pm

I reckon own as many guns as you can justify, get both or all three
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by JimTom » 04 Feb 2020, 5:43 pm

flutch wrote:I reckon own as many guns as you can justify, get both or all three



Well said that man.
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Post by bladeracer » 04 Feb 2020, 5:47 pm

flutch wrote:I reckon own as many guns as you can justify, get both or all three


I got the paperwork for licence renewal today, which includes a handy list of my firearms, very handy :-)
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Bill » 04 Feb 2020, 6:46 pm

jimtom 90gr TNTs at 3000fps is pretty much matches OSA 223 55gr which chronograph at 3050fps.

Yeah certainly not in the same class as a 270 which can run a 150gr at 3000fps but a 0.264 hole aint much diff from a 0.277 hole.

A Grendel uses a 40% less powder than a 270 Win so alot less recoil and ofcourse a short action so a lighter handier package and lots of slippery high BC 6.5 pills for moderate range work.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by JimTom » 04 Feb 2020, 7:26 pm

Fair enough.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Diamond Jim » 05 Feb 2020, 12:22 am

Yeah Bill, but where is the romance? In my day, Grendel was a monster from the saga of Beowulf. It's hard to love a monster....but what's not to love about a .270Win?
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by flutch » 05 Feb 2020, 10:57 pm

the 270 really is a great round, i love using mine to buck the canola stubble that can even thwart a 243 (seen many times) shooting foxes in that stuff is pretty much a weekly job over here, the 223 can do it, but it cant hit ANY canola stubble otherwise its useless. the 270 just bashes its way into the little sods regardless, love it... the fact it is basically a standard for shooting deer also would tell me that its better to at least have one if not something bigger, but if i were to go bigger 7mmrem or 300win are my choices heh
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Diamond Jim » 05 Feb 2020, 11:32 pm

What Flutch said - though the little red beggars are pretty thin on the ground where I shoot in the northern part of the "Central West" district. Cats are pretty common though the .270 is a bit of overkill. I genuinely think that as Parks and Wildlife (whatever the WA equivalent is) have shut down pastoral stations the dogs/dingoes have impacted fox numbers I know they have made sheep unviable on our farm. We abut former station country.
No deer or pigs here. We used to get good numbers of goats but that changed when the stations were shut down.
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Post by flutch » 06 Feb 2020, 12:07 am

true, foxes are thick down my way, only last few weeks between 3 of us there have been more than 50 shot on only two properties. any bet there are a tonne more shot in the district, we are starting to see more and more deer and pigs as the governments sycophantic bulls**t about trapping and baits being better than hunting is proving its uselessness. not complaining just more shat off with the idiocy of the collective legislators. no goats however, but yes cats also, but no more than ever before, seems to always be one here and there. bunnies are almost non existent however since 2015. know some crew up beacon way and they have foxes galore as well as cats and rabbits.
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Post by Diamond Jim » 06 Feb 2020, 12:36 am

While it is probably wrong to do so, we've been giving the bunnies a bit of a rest for the last few years. Bugger all around anyway and we only take one when we have a definite need - cray bait mainly (skinned, no hide or hair). Cats are a serious problem, since we started seeing them maybe 20 years ago we've lost almost all our small marsupials (e.g. dunnarts), reptiles (thorny devils) and ground nesting birds (plover, quail). Cats and foxes get no mercy.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by flutch » 06 Feb 2020, 12:42 am

yeah only good cat is a dead one in my opinion, dunnarts are the funniest little critters and i loved those thorny devils as a kid, carnarvon always had fk all thorny devils thanks to having a million cats around. coral bay and exmouth used to have way more of them so I would believe that.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by John » 12 Apr 2020, 8:55 am

.223 is good caliber they shoot really good and could kill a larger pig but you might find your self with not enough gun goats are not a problem for the .223
Go with .243 there’s no pig or goat it won’t stop some underrate there the power of that little pill but I’ve took down some huge boars in western nsw and north qld and more goats than I can remember.
.270 is a personal favourite of mine there a hard hitter with plenty of thump at longer rangers on larger game but can get a little more expensive to load if your shopping hole in paper for fun.
Having owned.223 and currently owning both .243 and .270 can’t go past the .243 it’s a great all rounder for Australian conditions.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Ziege » 12 Apr 2020, 2:02 pm

270 if you ask me, only reason I say that is the penchant to go after bigger and bigger game.

If you go 270 can go everything from 90grain lasers to 180 grain Woodleigh schtonkers, ranging from over 3600fps down to a humble 2500fps with 180 grain solid monoliths from Woodleigh, in any case it's a great round hence being more prolific than most other "deer" rifles.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Troyus » 27 May 2020, 6:00 pm

I shot growing up but have only just started getting back into it with my old man, 20+ years later, about to apply for my license.
I like the .243 and want one, but as a new shooter looking for farms to shoot on, I heard a .223 would be more acceptable to farmers over something bigger. What’s are the thoughts on this side of the question?
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by in2anity » 27 May 2020, 10:03 pm

Troyus, 223 or the 222 are very popular in the farming world. Remember the 243 is a necked down 308 - pretty serious cartridge. You might be surprised by the recoil, particularly in a light sporter. For particularly flat, open country a 243 is helpful. Else just get the 223 - very pleasant and easy to use up to ~200m.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Troyus » 27 May 2020, 11:18 pm

Thanks. My father has a 243, 22 hornet and 22lr as far as rifles go. Im over the 22 hornets hang ups, mis feeds etc. I am familiar with the .243 and its versatility with different projectiles but wonder if farmers will say nope.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Ziege » 27 May 2020, 11:56 pm

243 is fine, I find it kicks more than expected but not a huge amount, it's also pretty good on projie choice and can reach out a fair way, only you need to know your dope when on the heavier pills cos can be a chore to holdover, however again that isn't unique to the calibre, all cartridges suffer that when loaded heavier.

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Post by Farmerpete » 28 May 2020, 6:07 am

Troyus wrote:Thanks. My father has a 243, 22 hornet and 22lr as far as rifles go. Im over the 22 hornets hang ups, mis feeds etc. I am familiar with the .243 and its versatility with different projectiles but wonder if farmers will say nope.


More chance of getting on my farm with 243 ( the farm caliber) than with a ridiculous 300 win mag Or two dogs and a knife.
The 300 or any other massive caliber means your stupid enough to believe the bs about deflection (I killed my first pig with a 22lr) and pros use 223, two dogs and a knife show your not responsible enough to own a gun.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Ziege » 28 May 2020, 11:04 am

Yes cos the 300win is definitely overkill for the states many camels and scrub bulls and donkeys. Lol, the Hy limit yourself? Get them all.
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Post by Farmerpete » 28 May 2020, 4:27 pm

Ziege wrote:Yes cos the 300win is definitely overkill for the states many camels and scrub bulls and donkeys. Lol, the Hy limit yourself? Get them all.


My comment was related to MY farm and MY experience it wasn't meant to say that a farm in the center of oz with camels running wild wouldn't let you on, the biggest animal on MY farm anybody's going to shoot at is a pig. And if you need a 300 for pigs I don't believe you can shoot straight enough to shoot on MY land where MY family lives.
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Ziege » 28 May 2020, 7:29 pm

But even then, YOUR farm, why should anyone limit themselves to the game on one farm?
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Post by Ziege » 28 May 2020, 7:31 pm

Ooorrr there could be 4 pigs lined up and I shoot all of them with my 300win and Barnes tsx
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Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270

Post by Troyus » 29 May 2020, 3:08 am

Ziege wrote:But even then, YOUR farm, why should anyone limit themselves to the game on one farm?

I think you can own whatever gun you want but the land owner should have the right to restrict what guns you use on his property. Fair enough to not allow a big gun but if they are getting pedantic then you might know going there is not a good fit.

You can always bring the smaller gun instead or decline that property to shoot on.
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