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SGC Lever Action & MARS Actions in Australia

Post by WatchyShooter » 04 May 2017, 10:43 pm

Been looking at these lately

http://www.gunstar.co.uk/czech-small-ar ... les/912632

http://www.gunmart.net/gun-reviews/fire ... 58-m.a.r.s


http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/example-gun-build/#9mmlr

AFAIK few things are "banned" until someone imports one and runs into issues, any history with any of these ?
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Post by MrFishimus » 05 May 2017, 10:43 am

Haven't seen any of those, but dear god I want one!!!
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Post by Gun-nut » 05 May 2017, 12:40 pm

All are gonna be very pricey down here. If they do get imported that is.
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Post by brett1868 » 05 May 2017, 4:21 pm

The 9mm lever release has given me half a Cadbury's, might see if I can get one. Always lusted after a long arm in 9mm / 10mm or 45. Straight pull or lever would be just as good :)
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Post by WatchyShooter » 05 May 2017, 4:25 pm

brett1868 wrote:The 9mm lever release has given me half a Cadbury's, might see if I can get one. Always lusted after a long arm in 9mm / 10mm or 45. Straight pull or lever would be just as good :)


I'd seen the 9mm one and it really looks amazing.

Been trying to find out if lever actions have had trouble in AUS but most the results are old lever actions , not lever releases.
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Post by Tripod » 05 May 2017, 5:01 pm

Pay the money and see if it gets past customs but I reckon you will do your dough just on appearance.
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Post by Gun-nut » 05 May 2017, 5:50 pm

WatchyShooter wrote:
brett1868 wrote:The 9mm lever release has given me half a Cadbury's, might see if I can get one. Always lusted after a long arm in 9mm / 10mm or 45. Straight pull or lever would be just as good :)


I'd seen the 9mm one and it really looks amazing.

Been trying to find out if lever actions have had trouble in AUS but most the results are old lever actions , not lever releases.


The only lever release from my knowledge that is being allowed into the country is the Verney Carron speedline (3006, 300wm and 12ga). Not too sure about other rifles, but if an Aussie company made them here, than there should be no dramas in most states, we'll still have to see the verdict on the Verney Carron in some states to see if lever releases will be prohibited or not.
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Post by brett1868 » 05 May 2017, 6:09 pm

Tripod wrote:Pay the money and see if it gets past customs but I reckon you will do your dough just on appearance.


No appearance laws in NSW thankfully, otherwise several firearms I currently have in the safe would have grief :D
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Post by Gun-nut » 05 May 2017, 7:53 pm

brett1868 wrote:
Tripod wrote:Pay the money and see if it gets past customs but I reckon you will do your dough just on appearance.


No appearance laws in NSW thankfully, otherwise several firearms I currently have in the safe would have grief :D


At the state level, NSW doesn't but customs (for whatever reason) finds it convenient to ban the import of firearms that resemble a CAT D. :crazy:
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Post by bladeracer » 05 May 2017, 8:18 pm

Gun-nut wrote:
brett1868 wrote:
Tripod wrote:Pay the money and see if it gets past customs but I reckon you will do your dough just on appearance.


No appearance laws in NSW thankfully, otherwise several firearms I currently have in the safe would have grief :D


At the state level, NSW doesn't but customs (for whatever reason) finds it convenient to ban the import of firearms that resemble a CAT D. :crazy:


Not sure what you are referring to here exactly, but if you have lodged the appropriate import permits beforehand I don't see what grounds they could hold it at Customs.

I ordered from the US via Brownells the folding stock adapter for the MDT Chassis, which is legal here in Victoria but illegal in ACT where Brownells are. I was curious if that might be a problem but it wasn't.
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Post by sungazer » 05 May 2017, 8:35 pm

What really worries me is if they adopt a National Standard for rules they are likely to incorporate the strictest rules from each state. I would hate to loose a valuable investment on looks or other, again.
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Post by brett1868 » 05 May 2017, 9:47 pm

Not sure what you are referring to here exactly, but if you have lodged the appropriate import permits beforehand I don't see what grounds they could hold it at Customs.


This is where it gets interesting...the state FAR is responsible for the import permits (B709) but Border Force enforce federal legislation which is way too open to interpretation. They can seize items at the point of entry even if state laws permit the ownership and use of them, Adler 8 shot is a classic example. Perfectly legal to own but was stopped at the border on order from the chief clown in charge at the time.

I've got a new project on the burner, the NSW FAR have agreed to register the firearm as a Cat B BUT Border Force have referred my request to the GG for adjudication. I've been chasing them now for almost 6 months to get a ruling....

I find it so frustrating trying to play by the rules when the tards running the country keep changing them, LAFO one day, Gun crazed would be terrorist the next.
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Post by WatchyShooter » 05 May 2017, 10:32 pm

brett1868 wrote:
Not sure what you are referring to here exactly, but if you have lodged the appropriate import permits beforehand I don't see what grounds they could hold it at Customs.


This is where it gets interesting...the state FAR is responsible for the import permits (B709) but Border Force enforce federal legislation which is way too open to interpretation. They can seize items at the point of entry even if state laws permit the ownership and use of them, Adler 8 shot is a classic example. Perfectly legal to own but was stopped at the border on order from the chief clown in charge at the time.

I've got a new project on the burner, the NSW FAR have agreed to register the firearm as a Cat B BUT Border Force have referred my request to the GG for adjudication. I've been chasing them now for almost 6 months to get a ruling....

I find it so frustrating trying to play by the rules when the tards running the country keep changing them, LAFO one day, Gun crazed would be terrorist the next.


Looking forward to hearing about that project :thumbsup:
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Post by Gun-nut » 05 May 2017, 10:54 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Gun-nut wrote:
brett1868 wrote:
Tripod wrote:Pay the money and see if it gets past customs but I reckon you will do your dough just on appearance.


No appearance laws in NSW thankfully, otherwise several firearms I currently have in the safe would have grief :D


At the state level, NSW doesn't but customs (for whatever reason) finds it convenient to ban the import of firearms that resemble a CAT D. :crazy:


Not sure what you are referring to here exactly, but if you have lodged the appropriate import permits beforehand I don't see what grounds they could hold it at Customs.

I ordered from the US via Brownells the folding stock adapter for the MDT Chassis, which is legal here in Victoria but illegal in ACT where Brownells are. I was curious if that might be a problem but it wasn't.


As Brett mentioned below, if a firearm is legal in the individual states, customs can still ban it from import. As to your mdt chassis, I don't think they follow the same restrictions through customs as they're not actual firearms.
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Post by WatchyShooter » 05 May 2017, 11:08 pm

I feel if you have it painted pinks and bright blues before it's imported they can't use the "black and dangerous" law, maybe then they'll have a chance.

What would the recourse be for having all the correct import permits and the like but still having customs stop it? Is that just bye bye money and gun, is there any recourse, lots of the UK based guns have extensive literature about the function and how it complys in accordance with ect ect

Finding someone to make something similar in AUS would be the easiest method, just as long as it's not like the WFA1 straight pull and upcoming pump, if you want mass adoption and more shooters paying an interest in these types of firearms they need to be priced competitively, then you'll have the Adler effect, where mass shooters, general common sense people and more get behind it and make sure where ahead when GCA and others come after us again.

Getting something like this in would cause noise too once GCA and others find out it's here or coming.
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Post by brett1868 » 06 May 2017, 12:06 am

Looking forward to hearing about that project


No great secret on this one....Anzio 20/50 which is essentially a 20mm Vulcan case shortened and necked down to .50cal. The NSW FAR isn't concerned with chambering so the Anzio complies with the 50cal rules and fits the Cat B Centre Fire rifle classification. Border Force take the caliber AND chambering into account which is why my request has been referred to the GG for adjudication. It's been flagged as being in the grey zone between sporting shooter and specialised military use, they're concerned about it's 5km effective range :D Great rifle for holding up the Kwik-E-Mart, 2 suburbs away :lol:
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Post by WatchyShooter » 06 May 2017, 12:17 am

brett1868 wrote:
Looking forward to hearing about that project


No great secret on this one....Anzio 20/50 which is essentially a 20mm Vulcan case shortened and necked down to .50cal. The NSW FAR isn't concerned with chambering so the Anzio complies with the 50cal rules and fits the Cat B Centre Fire rifle classification. Border Force take the caliber AND chambering into account which is why my request has been referred to the GG for adjudication. It's been flagged as being in the grey zone between sporting shooter and specialised military use, they're concerned about it's 5km effective range :D Great rifle for holding up the Kwik-E-Mart, 2 suburbs away :lol:


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That is one beautiful rifle, that just for comps here or you planning to travel with that :P I've seen some before on here that have said AUS lacks too many good big rifle comps and the US is the place to go
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Post by brett1868 » 06 May 2017, 8:50 pm

That is one beautiful rifle, that just for comps here or you planning to travel with that :P I've seen some before on here that have said AUS lacks too many good big rifle comps and the US is the place to go


That's the one, it'll be for "King of the 2 Mile" competitions planed for later this year and run by the Mildura LRSC Club. If there is a competition then I am able to show "Genuine Need" for acquiring said firearm. In the meantime I've ordered a couple of barrel blanks in .375 & .416 that I can screw into the Project 50 action & stock since it's not overly difficult and I've got the tools. That reminds me, I still need to order the reamers....
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Post by WatchyShooter » 16 Jul 2017, 1:00 am

Just wanted to update this thread
I’ve been in contact with SGC and they have the required permits and licenses to export to Australia, will hopefully be getting ball rolling on that “test” sometime soon, either in a single import or if there’s more interest going via someone like NIOA.
Still following up on licensing the design and having it made within Australia, If done it would be massive and would give whomever picks up the project will have a rifle unlike any other in Australia, looking at existing firearms manufactures, but if anyone knows of any smaller firearms manufacturers or such let me know
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Post by Jakethefake » 28 Jul 2017, 1:33 pm

I thought there was something in the NFA about all the energy for cycling the action having to come from the user, which would prevent stuff like this being allowed. But I'm happy to be wrong about that. I'd love one of the pistol carbines. I had a Keltec Sub 2000 in Canada, but it would be a cold day in hell before they allowed something like that over here.
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Post by WatchyShooter » 28 Jul 2017, 2:49 pm

Jakethefake wrote:I thought there was something in the NFA about all the energy for cycling the action having to come from the user, which would prevent stuff like this being allowed. But I'm happy to be wrong about that. I'd love one of the pistol carbines. I had a Keltec Sub 2000 in Canada, but it would be a cold day in hell before they allowed something like that over here.


We are lucky to not have something like that, just that the definition of a semi auto is that it fires, empty’s and reloads with one trigger pull, if you intruput that then it’s not semi auto like the Vernon Carney Speedline that’s just been released and approved by police and border force.

It’s the slow progression forwards but it’s good
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