sungazer wrote:1710 DHB:D
Gwion wrote:Invest in some reloading gear and load your 223rem down with Trailboss. It will shoot about 200fps faster with 50gn bullets (mine clock 1850fps with 18" barrel) than the 22wmr and will give you point and shoot range (max point blank) out to about 120m. Much more reliable for foxes than 22lr and cheaper to shoot than the 22wmr.
And get a 22lr just because.
bentaz wrote:Scratch that i reckon you should get a Savage model 24, .22 lr 20ga combo gun, a good quality little gun that will last a lifetime.
The 22 fills the need and the 20ga is a great little fox / bunny killer and a good way to get the kids into shotguning!
sungazer wrote:As above but if you have the money for a Anschutz, again I would agree with the varmint/target rifle I would go for the 1710 DHB and never look back. 400 acres is pretty big its about 1.5km by 1.5km should be enough room for a 308 which would be my recommendation. I don't think there is a more versatile caliber. of course others will have there own opinion, don't we all
FlyingStick wrote:Hmm. Interesting idea! What's the sound like with Trailboss powder? Comparable to 22wmr?
FlyingStick wrote:Gwion wrote:Invest in some reloading gear and load your 223rem down with Trailboss. It will shoot about 200fps faster with 50gn bullets (mine clock 1850fps with 18" barrel) than the 22wmr and will give you point and shoot range (max point blank) out to about 120m. Much more reliable for foxes than 22lr and cheaper to shoot than the 22wmr.
And get a 22lr just because.
Hmm. Interesting idea! What's the sound like with Trailboss powder? Comparable to 22wmr?
Starting to think it's either 22LR or reloading. Both have their merits - but I know eventually I would have reloaded to cut down costs...
All of my mates are telling me 22mag, but I'm just not sure I can justify the extra cost of ammo when I will likely have my .223 with me when I'm using the .22, unless of course I'm walking the field.
in2anity wrote:But seriously though mate - you need a 22lr. There's so many other reasons to shoot a 22lr before anything else (provided it's acceptable for your requirements). Reloading is great, but time is money.
FlyingStick wrote:Will the down loaded .223 leave much to eat on a bunny?
Cooper wrote:I reckon everybody needs a 22lr. I have a cz455 with three barrels 17hmr/22mag and 22lr. I mainly wanted the 17hmr as I didn't think I would get into reloading. I really don't have much time for the 22wmr. The best it shots at 50 metres is around an inch usually an inch and half to 2 inches. The ammo is too expensive for what it is. Cheapest is and $17per 50 to around $30 per 50.
People talk about the 22wmr having more knock down power and energy than the 17hmr. But the 17hmr s**ts all over it the accuracy department in my opinion.
The 17hmr is a great rabbit gun. Very flat shooting out to around 100metres plus. And can handle a fox and feral cat.
I would probably still reconmend buying a 22lr for the rabbits and some reloading gear. Reloading won't really save you any money. You'll just shot more. Not that there is a problem with that!
bigfellascott wrote:FlyingStick wrote:Will the down loaded .223 leave much to eat on a bunny?
If you shoot it in the head it will.
FlyingStick wrote:Hmm. Interesting idea! What's the sound like with Trailboss powder? Comparable to 22wmr?
Starting to think it's either 22LR or reloading. Both have their merits - but I know eventually I would have reloaded to cut down costs...
All of my mates are telling me 22mag, but I'm just not sure I can justify the extra cost of ammo when I will likely have my .223 with me when I'm using the .22, unless of course I'm walking the field.
Gwion wrote:Cooper wrote:I reckon everybody needs a 22lr. I have a cz455 with three barrels 17hmr/22mag and 22lr. I mainly wanted the 17hmr as I didn't think I would get into reloading. I really don't have much time for the 22wmr. The best it shots at 50 metres is around an inch usually an inch and half to 2 inches. The ammo is too expensive for what it is. Cheapest is and $17per 50 to around $30 per 50.
People talk about the 22wmr having more knock down power and energy than the 17hmr. But the 17hmr s**ts all over it the accuracy department in my opinion.
The 17hmr is a great rabbit gun. Very flat shooting out to around 100metres plus. And can handle a fox and feral cat.
I would probably still reconmend buying a 22lr for the rabbits and some reloading gear. Reloading won't really save you any money. You'll just shot more. Not that there is a problem with that!
You must have had a crap 22wmr to shoot or it had terrible ammo. I was shooting one the other week at 100yd. Not much good with one type of ammo but with the other it was shooting MOA easily.
bentaz wrote:Scratch that i reckon you should get a Savage model 24, .22 lr 20ga combo gun, a good quality little gun that will last a lifetime.
The 22 fills the need and the 20ga is a great little fox / bunny killer and a good way to get the kids into shotguning!
Cooper wrote:Gwion wrote:Cooper wrote:I reckon everybody needs a 22lr. I have a cz455 with three barrels 17hmr/22mag and 22lr. I mainly wanted the 17hmr as I didn't think I would get into reloading. I really don't have much time for the 22wmr. The best it shots at 50 metres is around an inch usually an inch and half to 2 inches. The ammo is too expensive for what it is. Cheapest is and $17per 50 to around $30 per 50.
People talk about the 22wmr having more knock down power and energy than the 17hmr. But the 17hmr s**ts all over it the accuracy department in my opinion.
The 17hmr is a great rabbit gun. Very flat shooting out to around 100metres plus. And can handle a fox and feral cat.
I would probably still reconmend buying a 22lr for the rabbits and some reloading gear. Reloading won't really save you any money. You'll just shot more. Not that there is a problem with that!
You must have had a crap 22wmr to shoot or it had terrible ammo. I was shooting one the other week at 100yd. Not much good with one type of ammo but with the other it was shooting MOA easily.
I'll admit I haven't given the 22wmr much of chance. It has less than 100 shots down the barrel. But at $30 per 50 trying to work out what ammo it likes? Don't think I will bother. The 22wmr barrel can stay in the safe. Only tried Winchester power point and CCi mini Mags. Maybe one day I'll try something else
bentaz wrote:Scratch that i reckon you should get a Savage model 24, .22 lr 20ga combo gun, a good quality little gun that will last a lifetime.
The 22 fills the need and the 20ga is a great little fox / bunny killer and a good way to get the kids into shotguning!
FlyingStick wrote:Just noticed Ruger does the American in timber - from what I can tell these review well, thoughts?
I'm also interested in CZ but want to keep away from the 455, I keep finding negative reviews given the swap out barrels. Are there stil new 452s around at dealers?
FlyingStick wrote:Just noticed Ruger does the American in timber - from what I can tell these review well, thoughts?
I'm also interested in CZ but want to keep away from the 455, I keep finding negative reviews given the swap out barrels. Are there stil new 452s around at dealers?
FlyingStick wrote:Just noticed Ruger does the American in timber - from what I can tell these review well, thoughts?
I'm also interested in CZ but want to keep away from the 455, I keep finding negative reviews given the swap out barrels. Are there stil new 452s around at dealers?