Farmer Roy wrote:Wombat wrote:Actually Is a Semi an option? You may be able to get a license given your need and occupation. An Sks or Ruger Mini would be ideal.
Yeah, that did cross my mind . . .
I suppose I just assumed any semis would be too expensive & all the cheap SKS etc went to scrap years ago . . .
Gwion wrote:True.
The quickest, easiest way out would be to dock the 243 barrel to about 18", replace the scope with a dot sight and load it up with the heaviest bullets it will stabilise. You could fit a DBM to it but how often are you really going to get to squeeze off more than 5 shots before everything buggers off!?!
Still, a pump would be quicker and easier to hold on target simply due to ergonomics: ie, the fact that your hands do not have to change position at all during firing and reload.
Gwion wrote:Ps: also on the plus side, 243 will have less lead and hold over than anything like a 30/30.
Not sure about where or if you can get a DBM for that rifle but how often will you be able to get more than 5 good shots off without everything making cover or bolting from reliable range???
You can alway just reload and continue on your way.
bigfellascott wrote:These things are brilliant for fast close action shooting at moving targets, should go alright for the types of shooting your talking about.
bigfellascott wrote:Gwion wrote:Ps: also on the plus side, 243 will have less lead and hold over than anything like a 30/30.
Not sure about where or if you can get a DBM for that rifle but how often will you be able to get more than 5 good shots off without everything making cover or bolting from reliable range???
You can alway just reload and continue on your way.
Hold over at the ranges he's talking about?
Gwion wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Gwion wrote:Ps: also on the plus side, 243 will have less lead and hold over than anything like a 30/30.
Not sure about where or if you can get a DBM for that rifle but how often will you be able to get more than 5 good shots off without everything making cover or bolting from reliable range???
You can alway just reload and continue on your way.
Hold over at the ranges he's talking about?
Well, ok. At 100 yards it's not really an issue with a 30/30. Starts dropping pretty quick after 150, though. Still, faster is better; especially if you already have the rifle and a limited budget.
in2anity wrote:OP specifically asked for something cheap to run (considering he won't be reloading) - as said before, surely a 308 would be a cheaper option than the 30/30? I really don't see the point in arguing about the nuances of the 30/30 trajectory... and factory 243 is too expensive also. Don't overthink it - get a 308 and be done with it.
bigfellascott wrote:in2anity wrote:OP specifically asked for something cheap to run (considering he won't be reloading) - as said before, surely a 308 would be a cheaper option than the 30/30? I really don't see the point in arguing about the nuances of the 30/30 trajectory... and factory 243 is too expensive also. Don't overthink it - get a 308 and be done with it.
$22 or there abouts for 30/30 from a quick research - pretty sure I pay more for my 308.
in2anity wrote:bigfellascott wrote:in2anity wrote:OP specifically asked for something cheap to run (considering he won't be reloading) - as said before, surely a 308 would be a cheaper option than the 30/30? I really don't see the point in arguing about the nuances of the 30/30 trajectory... and factory 243 is too expensive also. Don't overthink it - get a 308 and be done with it.
How's the milsurp go on pigs?
$22 or there abouts for 30/30 from a quick research - pretty sure I pay more for my 308.
Dunno where you get your ammo, but I can get 308 cheaper at my LGS's - heck you can purchase milsurp directly from Thales
in2anity wrote:bigfellascott wrote:in2anity wrote:OP specifically asked for something cheap to run (considering he won't be reloading) - as said before, surely a 308 would be a cheaper option than the 30/30? I really don't see the point in arguing about the nuances of the 30/30 trajectory... and factory 243 is too expensive also. Don't overthink it - get a 308 and be done with it.
How's the milsurp go on pigs?
$22 or there abouts for 30/30 from a quick research - pretty sure I pay more for my 308.
Dunno where you get your ammo, but I can get 308 cheaper at my LGS's - heck you can purchase milsurp directly from Thales
bigfellascott wrote:in2anity wrote:bigfellascott wrote:in2anity wrote:OP specifically asked for something cheap to run (considering he won't be reloading) - as said before, surely a 308 would be a cheaper option than the 30/30? I really don't see the point in arguing about the nuances of the 30/30 trajectory... and factory 243 is too expensive also. Don't overthink it - get a 308 and be done with it.
How's the milsurp go on pigs?
$22 or there abouts for 30/30 from a quick research - pretty sure I pay more for my 308.
Dunno where you get your ammo, but I can get 308 cheaper at my LGS's - heck you can purchase milsurp directly from Thales
How's the milsurp go on pigs?
in2anity wrote:bigfellascott wrote:in2anity wrote:bigfellascott wrote:in2anity wrote:OP specifically asked for something cheap to run (considering he won't be reloading) - as said before, surely a 308 would be a cheaper option than the 30/30? I really don't see the point in arguing about the nuances of the 30/30 trajectory... and factory 243 is too expensive also. Don't overthink it - get a 308 and be done with it.
How's the milsurp go on pigs?
$22 or there abouts for 30/30 from a quick research - pretty sure I pay more for my 308.
Dunno where you get your ammo, but I can get 308 cheaper at my LGS's - heck you can purchase milsurp directly from Thales
How's the milsurp go on pigs?
TBH I've never shot any of it personally, but I've witnessed plenty of it hitting steel, and it hits pretty hard - I guess it would probably over-penetrate technically.
in2anity wrote:TBH I've never shot any of it personally, but I've witnessed plenty of it hitting steel, and it hits pretty hard - I guess it would probably over-penetrate technically.
bladeracer wrote:in2anity wrote:TBH I've never shot any of it personally, but I've witnessed plenty of it hitting steel, and it hits pretty hard - I guess it would probably over-penetrate technically.
File the points off and it works just fine.
bladeracer wrote:in2anity wrote:TBH I've never shot any of it personally, but I've witnessed plenty of it hitting steel, and it hits pretty hard - I guess it would probably over-penetrate technically.
File the points off and it works just fine.
Farmer Roy wrote:bladeracer wrote:in2anity wrote:TBH I've never shot any of it personally, but I've witnessed plenty of it hitting steel, and it hits pretty hard - I guess it would probably over-penetrate technically.
File the points off and it works just fine.
Does that really work ?
Would you get much expansion ?
bladeracer wrote:I think I only tried it with 6.5x55mm but it certainly worked with those. I even turned the bullets around and shot them backwards. Filing the tips is all it needs though - provided it does not have a penetrator. I doubt it'll expand as well as a properly-designed hunting bullet but hunters have been doing it for decades with milsurp ammo.
Browning wrote:I bought a Ruger GS years ago in a 308 for this very same job.
Short barrel is great and it's built like a tank!! It takes whatever you dish out... I used mine on the quad heaps and it's tipped with a little aimpoint (never had any probs with sun or anything)
Great combo and works perfect for what you've described... Pretty bloody accurate as well even with factory loads.....
Been thinking of selling it for a while now as well... lol