new ruger just found about

[bladeracer]

Personally if I had to choose between howa and ruger, I would take Howa all day. In regards to this gun however I like the idea of those magazines.

The mags are the only thing that bothers me about this one. I need to get some 7.62x39mm ammo and see if it'll feed through the .308 AICS mags. If it won't then this won't work in the MDT chassis like all my other RAR's.

[Rikta]

A friend showed me his Howa the other day ( I was also ogling one at the range yesterday) and i was very impressed by the build! I do have a penchant for Japanese stuff. Im also looking at Ruger VS Howa ,but for a long range precision rifle in 6.5 Creedmore. The RPR does look lovely, however it is a bit on the heavy side.I was trying to find a weight for the Howa 1500 Long in the MDT HS3 chassis but couldn't find anything.It more conventional stocks it does seem on the light side so im crossing my fingers its lighter than the Ruger!

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/201 ... rifle-hcr/

[juststarting]

I was thinking exactly the same thing, but for completely different reasons. I'd love something cheap, lite and really compact, in 7.62x39. But this mag seems like it would make it uncomfortable to carry for hours. I think I need to see it in person... Could potentially replace (compliment, rather) my go to x-bolt 308 for hunting.

[bladeracer]

I was thinking exactly the same thing, but for completely different reasons. I'd love something cheap, lite and really compact, in 7.62x39. But this mag seems like it would make it uncomfortable to carry for hours. I think I need to see it in person... Could potentially replace (compliment, rather) my go to x-bolt 308 for hunting.

The five-round Mini-30 mag is a fair bit shorter.
Or carry it empty with the mag in your pocket until it's required.

[juststarting]

Heh, yeah, don't think deer will wait for me to load. That said, I looked a bit more into it, I didn't realised that 7.62x39 is so lite, for 30cal. Most factory ammo seems to be around 120-something grains, which makes me think twist wouldn't accomodate 165gr+. Then read your earlier post (about that) and beginning to think that it's a no go from the start :/

[bladeracer]

Heh, yeah, don't think deer will wait for me to load. That said, I looked a bit more into it, I didn't realised that 7.62x39 is so lite, for 30cal. Most factory ammo seems to be around 120-something grains, which makes me think twist wouldn't accomodate 165gr+. Then read your earlier post (about that) and beginning to think that it's a no go from the start :/

Most .303's are 10" twist I think and they shoot heavier than 165's.
I need to remember to pick up some 7.62x39mm ammo next time I'm in town and see if it cycles through the 7mm-08 with the AICS magazine. If it does then it should work in the MDT chassis.

[juststarting]

Yeah, also keen to read more about running 308 through it, rather than 303 (which could be 3105, 311...). Anyway, yeah need more research. But I kind of like it.

[juststarting]

uh damn mm to " conversions! All look the same around .311 damn it, everyone should use mm

[wrenchman]

my late father inlaw had a howa in 7.62x39 the finish was nicer then his ruger american that was 308 i felt that the bolt handle could have been a little larger on howa
the real short turn on the ruger is nice i would like both and are well made,
when ruger first come out with the american it was to offer a gun at a lower cost to compeat with savage and rem i think they very good .

[bladeracer]

uh damn mm to " conversions! All look the same around .311 damn it, everyone should use mm

While I do agree with you, I don't like the European conversions for bullet weight, charge weight and bullet diameters. I prefer the precision of using thousandths of an inch, and keeping all the digits to the right of the decimal. 5.56mm just gets contracted to "five-five-six" anyway.
There's not really any problem shooting .311" bullets down the .308" tube, as long as you're aware of the extra pressures when loading. And sometimes a .308" bullet down a .311" tube works fine as well.

[bladeracer]

my late father inlaw had a howa in 7.62x39 the finish was nicer then his ruger american that was 308 i felt that the bolt handle could have been a little larger on howa
the real short turn on the ruger is nice i would like both and are well made,
when ruger first come out with the american it was to offer a gun at a lower cost to compeat with savage and rem i think they very good .

I often shoot with gloves so I've put the Hornady Bolt Ball on my Rugers and don't find it obtrusive at all.
https://www.hornady.com/shop/accessories/shooting-accessories/lock-n-load-bolt-ball

I've never understood why so many shooters look down on the cheaper models. They're not a flash aesthetic ornament that's been uglyfied down to a price. They're very good rifles that have been designed from scratch to perform at a fixed price. I can drool over a Brno Model 2 all day long, as a piece of art, not as a shootable tool of enjoyment. I wouldn't hang one of my father's paintings in a paddock, and I wouldn't take a Brno out there either. I understand that others might like to hunt with a piece of beauty, but not all of us do.

I think the Ruger, Howa and Savage are fairly similar in ability, and I think most people would struggle to find serious fault with any of them. The Remington though I don't think much of. Even the 700 I think it's mainly selling these days on reputation and massive aftermarket support. I don't know if Winchester still makes rifles, haven't seen any for a very long time.

I think Ruger has the best grasp of marketing a product based on what the buyers want, except I do wish somebody would make aftermarket box mags for them
I bought a mag loader which does take the fiddliness out of loading them, but doesn't make unloading them any easier and does nothing to fix the bulkiness in your pocket.

[marksman]

IMO and this is just MO

I agree with what you have said bladeracer
the newer budget rifle's on the market are pretty good out of the box but are not made to last as long as the older but better made rifles, the fit (glue gun bedding),
parts (plastic and tin) and finish is crap on most but the salesman gives it a new name to make it the bees knees or the ducks nuts gotta have one
like most things IMO these days budget throw away, I do believe they have there place though,
I could give example's but I'm not gonna because I don't want to be hanging crap on someones favourite toy
picking your firearm is a personal thing what I like you may not
I like the older mk1 rugers myself (one of my toys being rebuilt at the moment) and have been on cdi's back for over a year now to get a box mag setup made for the tang safety models, they make them for the hawkeye, that reminds me I better email again

[bladeracer]

IMO and this is just MO

I agree with what you have said bladeracer
the newer budget rifle's on the market are pretty good out of the box but are not made to last as long as the older but better made rifles, the fit (glue gun bedding),
parts (plastic and tin) and finish is crap on most but the salesman gives it a new name to make it the bees knees or the ducks nuts gotta have one
like most things IMO these days budget throw away, I do believe they have there place though,
I could give example's but I'm not gonna because I don't want to be hanging crap on someones favourite toy
picking your firearm is a personal thing what I like you may not
I like the older mk1 rugers myself (one of my toys being rebuilt at the moment) and have been on cdi's back for over a year now to get a box mag setup made for the tang safety models, they make them for the hawkeye, that reminds me I better email again

I disagree, I think they're made to last better than something that has compromised performance or durability in order to appear pleasing to the eye or touch, and while being used more roughly and often. I've never seen any glue gun bedding. The Rugers are bedded on two steel V-blocks pressed into the poly stock. The steel action really doesn't contact the plastic anywhere at all, it just sits on those blocks. Not sure what you mean by tin, I don't think I've ever seen tin on any rifle, but the plastics are pretty good nowadays - not like the old Remington Nylon-66. And Ruger's bluing is very, very nice in my opinion. Reminds me of the black chrome that Suzuki used on their motorcycle mufflers through the eighties. But for a rifle I prefer the matt finish they put on the RAR centrefires.

I think the Ruger No.1 is another beautiful piece of artwork. As I said, I can appreciate beauty and craftsmanship, but I wouldn't want to take it outdoors.

[marksman]

and what they should be bedded in

I like good looking firearms but they are never just to look at

this one is 40 odd years old, bedded and trigger lightened but still factory, will the new budget rifles be around in another 40 years, I guarantee this one will be
its a fact that a lot of so called new and better improvements made in these rifles are just cost cutting not an improvement at all,
what I see such as new rifle triggers made with a lot of cast and tin parts that I think are intended to be upgraded not kept for a long time
I suppose it comes down to what you will except as good enough and as I said picking a firearm is a personal thing

ps. I would also like to add that I have seen some of these budget rifles shoot that good that it made me think why do customise
eg. I have seen 2 ruger Americans that shot one hole groups from the box but I am not sure for how long it will last

[bladeracer]

My first gun was a Ruger 10/22 it is a bit hard to remember the exact details. I dont think it had a barrel band like I have seen on some of the newer ones. It had a beautiful piece of timber. I remember oiling and polishing that stock. It also had pretty good accuracy. I would put it in the category of craftsmanship and art. I still took it out plinking rabbits as there were heaps of them back then. But to be honest the gun pictured here just looks like a toy. The plastic stock send shivers down my spine I think the colour of it makes it worse. Probably the light colour is what puts me off. Anyway that just my opinion, everyone has one and I respect that. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

My first was a 10/22 as well

[wrenchman]

i do like a hi blue finish or stainless steel but there is nothing wrong with the lower cost guns and will last there is a lot less hand work in them

[bear foot bowhunter]

Has anyone given the .450 bushmaster a go ? Whats it like ?be a cool caliber if it took of like the .300blk but way expensiv for ammo . read some where. 3006 brass could be cut down and resized is that true ?

[wrenchman]

that is a nice rifle