RoginaJack wrote:Could you lease explain what the fascination is with this cartridge - 7.62x39mm? Why not just use a 30-30 Win., ammo more readily available etc etc or 300blk or 308Win or 7-08..?? Sorry, but I just don't get it!
RoginaJack wrote:Could you lease explain what the fascination is with this cartridge - 7.62x39mm? Why not just use a 30-30 Win., ammo more readily available etc etc or 300blk or 308Win or 7-08..?? Sorry, but I just don't get it!
RoginaJack wrote:"More Elk have been taken with the 30/30 then etc..." BUT how many have been wounded by the 30/30? Stupid argument, stupid comparison.
The 7.62X39mm with 130gr projectiles (minimum weight for deer in Vic.), I don't see how it's suitable for hunting Red or Sambar. The 270Win. (minimum calibre with 130gr projectiles) craps all over it.
All I can see with this calibre hunting deer is a lot of heartache and disappointment.
My 2 cents worth.
Oldbloke wrote:Sooo, today I looked at Errol Masons Secrets of Sambar. He states the 3006 with well placed shots is capable of reliable 1 shot kills on Sambar out to 300 yards. No further. So I did some Numbers on my 30-06 and the 7.62 x 39. Here it is.
My 3006 Estimated load with 180 gr Interlok .425 BC muzzle velocity 2550 fps 22" barrel. Manual says about 2600 fps but have deducted 50 fps because all data is from the ADI manual and they use 24" barrels. So this is an estimate. People often forget that the ADI and other powder companies usually use 24 or 26" barrels and some allowance needs to be made for this if you are only estimating.
I ran all these through the Federal ballistic calculator.
30-06
Muzzle 2550 fps 2599 ft-lb
100 yards 2348 fps 2203 ft-lb
200 Yards 2156 fps 1857 ft-lb
300 yards 1972 fps 1554 ft-lb
So 1554 ft-lb is considered by E Mason to be the minimum reliable energy for 1 shot kills on Sambar.
7.62x39 Max load with 24" barrel 150 gr .339 BC Interlok 2192 fps, deduct for 22" barrel make in say 2150 fps.
7.62x39
Muzzle 2150 fps 1539 ft-lb energy
50 yards 2034 fps 1377 ft-lb energy
100 yards 1921 fps 1228 ft-lb energy
Numbers speak for them selves- in theory at least reliable to the end of the muzzle. mmmm perhaps 50 yards max. So I would not use it on Sambar. Perhaps Reds to 50 yards.
Just hope I got the numbers right.
RoginaJack wrote:Bladeracer - "Numbers are still somewhat random when it comes to killing an animal, even a well-placed shot may not always kill instantly, and sometimes a poorly-placed shot will."
What an absolute load of rubbish!
RoginaJack wrote:Bladeracer, no support needed really but if you insist, just troll YouTube there's enough evidence there of shooters getting chewed up by all types of animals hit by poorly placed shots. Also, many books by well known hunters and guides describe nasty instances of poorly placed shots not stopping animals and being tracked for x number of days.
Cheers.
Gwion wrote:My argument would be that if the animal wasn't killed then the shot wasn't place well, was it!??!
(or the cartridge and bullet selection were inadequate, which in a way leads to poor shot placement as it leaves you with no "good" spot to place the shot)
Gwion wrote:Now how the *#%$ did that s**t happen!?!
bladeracer wrote:Gwion wrote:Now how the *#%$ did that s**t happen!?!
That's exactly my point
You only need look at warfare to see the random results inherent in ballistics. An 8x57mm bullet through the brain with full recovery, .22LR in the arm that opens an artery and you die. Or crime when a point-blank shotgun blast to the face doesn't kill the estranged wife.
Oldbloke wrote:I think what blade racer is saying it there are a lot of variables. Some hard to predict.
Bullet construction and hardness
Velocity upon impact
Angle hit
Did it hit heavy bone or no bone
Location, chest, brain etc
Bullet weight
Was the animal relaxed or nervous, running.
My experience says better a bit more oomf than less. I hardly shoot off hand any more.
I would never shoot at a running sambar again. Already lost two, never to be found.
Heard too many first hand accounts of sambar hit well and run far further than expected. The other problem is easy shots on sambar are hard to come by.
Gwion wrote:bladeracer wrote:Gwion wrote:Now how the *#%$ did that s**t happen!?!
That's exactly my point
You only need look at warfare to see the random results inherent in ballistics. An 8x57mm bullet through the brain with full recovery, .22LR in the arm that opens an artery and you die. Or crime when a point-blank shotgun blast to the face doesn't kill the estranged wife.
No, you miss my point.
How the hell do two pets get shot with a 22lr at the same time???
Gwion wrote:Not having a go, Hugh. Just debating pros and cons.
I'm sure as long as you are sure of your shot and take out the central nervous system you will be fine within a reasonable range. Just wouldn't be the first choice of cartridge if no medical requirements were involved.