How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefire

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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by pajamatime » 14 Aug 2015, 11:08 am

Title_II wrote:I have ARs that have spent years cocked. Those are hammer fired and at least one is ready to go for home defense.

My Glock has spent 7 years cocked so far, that is striker fired. Also must always be ready to go since it is a carry gun.


I actually firmly believe its mostly hype and that any "decay" of the "spring" is minimal at best.
With that said I always read the manual and if it says to do something then I do it for that individual firearms...who ever engineered the firearm in the first place surely knows more about the spring then I do type mentality lol.

with that said so far only one manual says anything close to tension or spring related say so and that is a manual for one of my OU break action shotguns.
Have not found any of my other firearms manuals to contain such information.
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by RoginaJack » 14 Aug 2015, 3:15 pm

Chronos wrote:
RoginaJack wrote:Morning Chronos. if ever you come across bolt tubes that are built for Left Handed bolts, let me know would you; I'm after them for a Tikka.

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Will do mate.

Have you checked with Lowey?

Have you thought about just leaving the bolt in the rifle and pulling the trigger :lol:

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Yes and apparently, they are not made for 'left handed" bolts despite requests to do so.

:lol: yes, but here in Qld. firearms must be stored with the bolt removed or action broken (opened) :thumbsup:

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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by on_one_wheel » 14 Aug 2015, 5:35 pm

The valve spring in your car's engine are under constant heavy preload and they last a blody long time.
The same can be said for the suspension in your car and maxi brakes in trucks.
I have my doubts that leaving your rifle bolt in the cocked position will have any ill affects.
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by Gun Nut Gordo » 14 Aug 2015, 7:00 pm

lets be honest very few people decock the bolt when storing the rifle so it's essentially in the cocked position all the time, so I wouldn't worry too much about it if you have it at the ready when hunting
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 14 Aug 2015, 7:26 pm

right....

Materials have an elastic and plastic limit, the point where they cease behaving in that manner.
Plastic = deformation is permanent, you deform or bend and it doesnt quite go all the way back
Elastic = deformation is temporary, bend a little and it return back as original.

Springs deform elastically up to a point then they behave plastic(ally)..... in the normal movement of firing pin spring.... you will never reach the elastic limit so therefore, IMHO, cocked or not - dontworryboutit... How many shotguns have sat in safes for literally decades without deterioration, lots!, of course some pedants will advise you to decock..... its up to you :thumbsup:

Rifles can easily be de-cocked though, by holding the trigger while closing the bolt, whether for storage or walking around during the hunt (though tension remains in the spring)... now a 'safe' firearm is an unloaded firearm, but I'm quite happy to walk around on a loaded chamber/decocked.....

Various rifles can even be easily cocked without lifting the bolt eg Enfields AND Mausers, but you'll need to dis-mount the bayo for the Mauser re-cock!! :D ;) old skool is cool!
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by ChicagoTed » 14 Aug 2015, 9:57 pm

as long as you have a decent gun i wouldn't worry about it
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by headspace » 14 Aug 2015, 10:15 pm

I reckon it's a reasonable question and have wondered the same myself at times, but there are plenty of examples of bolts left cocked when they are out of the rifle, so I don't consider it a problem. As far as hunting with a cocked rifle, I never put any faith in a safety catch. They may as well not exist on my rifles because I never use them. If I think A shot may be close I'll put a round in the chamber and walk with the bolt completely up. It's safer than a safety catch and quietly dropping the bolt handle is often quieter than the click of a safety. Safety's have been known to fail.
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by brett1868 » 14 Aug 2015, 10:58 pm

@Genesis93

De cocked on a loaded chamber is an accident waiting to happen because the firing pin is effectively rubbing against the primer. A sharp blow or a drop could be enough to set it off, de cock on an empty chamber only.
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by Browning » 14 Aug 2015, 10:58 pm

Crikey. I leave the spring tensioned in the safe all time...
I know about it but doesn't phase me at all.. Wouldn't worry about a few hours walking....
Be more worried about having a clean barrel or something really important like... Is the beer cold
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by sandgroperbill » 15 Aug 2015, 1:30 am

I have a cousin who had a marlin .22 and a brother with a savage .17hmr. Both their springs went soft and wouldn't give a proper strike. Both had to have the springs replaced. Having said that, the springs in my brothers magazines were all weak, too, so i think it mostly comes down to the quality of the springs. All the other shotguns and rifles are fine, and some are 100 years old.

If a spring does go soft while sitting in the safe, my opinion is that itwas going to happen regardless. Take it to a smith and have it replaced with a good quality, strong spring.
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by Title_II » 15 Aug 2015, 1:38 am

headspace wrote:I reckon it's a reasonable question and have wondered the same myself at times, but there are plenty of examples of bolts left cocked when they are out of the rifle, so I don't consider it a problem. As far as hunting with a cocked rifle, I never put any faith in a safety catch. They may as well not exist on my rifles because I never use them. If I think A shot may be close I'll put a round in the chamber and walk with the bolt completely up. It's safer than a safety catch and quietly dropping the bolt handle is often quieter than the click of a safety. Safety's have been known to fail.
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I don't hunt but whenever I've wandered around with an AR-15 (in America) on the lands or very rarely in public, I have it cleared, cocked, safety on, and loaded mag inserted (no rounds chambered). I don't like carrying any firearm chambered that doesn't have a holster to cover the trigger, unless I am expecting to use it in short order.
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by RealNick » 17 Aug 2015, 4:02 pm

headspace wrote:I reckon it's a reasonable question and have wondered the same myself at times, but there are plenty of examples of bolts left cocked when they are out of the rifle, so I don't consider it a problem.


Everything I can think of comes with the bolt cocked in the box when you get it from the dealer.

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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by zobster » 02 Sep 2015, 11:16 am

I have found that I can de-cock the bolt spring after removing it from the action. In my case, HOWA 1500, I hold either ends with my hands and twist, the sring will de-cock and a further twist will remove the firing pin completely. Problem solved!
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by bigfellascott » 02 Sep 2015, 11:18 am

I've never decocked my springs on any rifles I own.
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by juststarting » 05 Sep 2015, 11:12 pm

RealNick wrote:
headspace wrote:I reckon it's a reasonable question and have wondered the same myself at times, but there are plenty of examples of bolts left cocked when they are out of the rifle, so I don't consider it a problem.


Everything I can think of comes with the bolt cocked in the box when you get it from the dealer.

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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by Title_II » 05 Sep 2015, 11:50 pm

Why are you getting rifles with bolts removed? Is this an Australia legal thing? It doesn't make any sense.
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by huccl » 07 Sep 2015, 9:52 am

Mine would regularly be cocked for hours regularly. For safety I have the bolt up while walking around or left on the shooting range bench while not being used.

I've done that for years without any problem.
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Re: How long do you keep the spring cocked on your centrefir

Post by huccl » 07 Sep 2015, 9:52 am

Title_II wrote:Why are you getting rifles with bolts removed? Is this an Australia legal thing? It doesn't make any sense.


I dunno about that.

Lots come with the bolt in the box, not in the rifle.
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