New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 30 Oct 2017, 9:40 am

TBJ wrote:Very Nice SHV, what scopes that you've got on it? and does it lose zero with the scope after you've taken it down or does it keep its zero, just wondering as it's attached to the action not the barrel


got Leupold vxIII 1.5-5x20 for normal use, ammo testing will be Meopta meopro 6-18x50 side focus, thinking Aimpoint H2 or iron sight for hog hunting

will find out if it can hold zero for takedown and put back few times later
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 30 Oct 2017, 9:44 am

in2anity wrote:Very cool SHV - very interesting idea the whole spire-tip projectiles in a lever. You gonna gather some (scoped) grouping data for it?


got the ammo (TBF 150, AR2208 44.0-46.8))and scope (Meopta 6-18x50) ready for the test but no time to do it til this friday or saturday :roll:
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by in2anity » 30 Oct 2017, 10:05 pm

MalleeFarmer wrote:Still not really that different of an idea since the BLR had been around since the 60s. :o

Did I say anything about it being a “new” idea?

And is the BLR different to the vast majority of levers on the market? In my eyes, it sure is.

Anyways let’s not squabble because it’s childish (guilty as charged). My point stemmed from the fact that you can load up just about any 30-cal projectile in the BLR 308. Means it’s just a lot more versatile (from a handloading perspective) than ye olde 30/30. That’s why to me, the BLR is an “interesting” rifle. High BC projectiles with the ergonomics of a lever action IS interesting. Not that I should really have to justify myself though... but “that’s the interwebs folks!” isn’t it
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by in2anity » 31 Oct 2017, 1:53 am

SHV maybe of interest here’s a little snap of a westcastings next to a fancy ELD-X - both in the 308:

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The thought occurred to me; do you want me to mail you a sample of the westcastings? I can spare a few no worries.
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 31 Oct 2017, 10:54 am

in2anity wrote:SHV maybe of interest here’s a little snap of a westcastings next to a fancy ELD-X - both in the 308:

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The thought occurred to me; do you want me to mail you a sample of the westcastings? I can spare a few no worries.



thanks a lot, I've got some stuff to test, if they are not good then try westcastings, really appreciate for your help

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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 31 Oct 2017, 8:19 pm

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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by in2anity » 31 Oct 2017, 10:20 pm

Nice - SHV is that indent near the head of the projectile from seating? Also are you getting lead-shaving when seating? Also it looks like you’re crimping- is this true?
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 01 Nov 2017, 8:07 am

in2anity wrote:Nice - SHV is that indent near the head of the projectile from seating? Also are you getting lead-shaving when seating? Also it looks like you’re crimping- is this true?


the dent is not from seating, it came this way, I use an expending die to open up the case a little so bullet seating is very smoothly no lead or coating shaving at all, and do light crimping

give me some suggestions please, for 30-30 I'd like to try TB first, because it will be 1894 iron sight, it needs a lot guess work on the accuracy, so what's your suggestion for the TB load? start from 9.0 with CCI magnum primer?thanks
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by in2anity » 01 Nov 2017, 1:52 pm

In terms of seating it sounds like you're spot-on with your process. The only thing to add I guess is I'm not sure how important the crimp is shooting 30cal lead through a 308w rifle (like the BLR or a bolt); crimping puts more stress on the brass and reduces its life so you should only do it if necessary. Definitely crimp for the 30/30 though (as you've done).

There's probably not really a need for magnum primers with TB - magnum primers are more for when you think you are not achieving uniform burns (for example a big magnum cartridge with a lot of powder). Or in contrast when you have a reduced load only partially filling the case, where powder positioning can change depending on how you hold the rifle prior to each shot. In your case (the 30/30), examples of appropriate reduced-load powders would be AR2205 or AR2207 - for these powders, it actually helps to tilt the rifle skyward prior to each shot to position the powder back onto the primer. Either that or experiment with case fillers, which is a very divided realm as to whether case fillers are a good idea.

But because TB is such sparse "fluffy" fast burning powder, your burns should be fairly consistent (because the case is pretty much full). In saying that, there's probably no harm in using magnum primers, and for the sake of minimizing variable changes, I'd probably just stick to your magnums for now while you focus on other others (like loads).

In terms of a specific load, levers are notoriously specific/finicky when it comes to load development; a lot more than a bolt gun, very much a case of "each rifle is different". I'm not sure how much use it is, but FWIW my marlin 30/30 seemed to achieve peak TB accuracy at around 8.4 gr of TB.

SHV is your winnie tapped on the side for an aperture sight? Developing loads with only dovetail sights is indeed tricky...
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 09 Nov 2017, 9:54 am

in2anity wrote:In terms of seating it sounds like you're spot-on with your process. The only thing to add I guess is I'm not sure how important the crimp is shooting 30cal lead through a 308w rifle (like the BLR or a bolt); crimping puts more stress on the brass and reduces its life so you should only do it if necessary. Definitely crimp for the 30/30 though (as you've done).

There's probably not really a need for magnum primers with TB - magnum primers are more for when you think you are not achieving uniform burns (for example a big magnum cartridge with a lot of powder). Or in contrast when you have a reduced load only partially filling the case, where powder positioning can change depending on how you hold the rifle prior to each shot. In your case (the 30/30), examples of appropriate reduced-load powders would be AR2205 or AR2207 - for these powders, it actually helps to tilt the rifle skyward prior to each shot to position the powder back onto the primer. Either that or experiment with case fillers, which is a very divided realm as to whether case fillers are a good idea.

But because TB is such sparse "fluffy" fast burning powder, your burns should be fairly consistent (because the case is pretty much full). In saying that, there's probably no harm in using magnum primers, and for the sake of minimizing variable changes, I'd probably just stick to your magnums for now while you focus on other others (like loads).

In terms of a specific load, levers are notoriously specific/finicky when it comes to load development; a lot more than a bolt gun, very much a case of "each rifle is different". I'm not sure how much use it is, but FWIW my marlin 30/30 seemed to achieve peak TB accuracy at around 8.4 gr of TB.

SHV is your winnie tapped on the side for an aperture sight? Developing loads with only dovetail sights is indeed tricky...


thanks mate, really helpful :drinks:
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 09 Nov 2017, 9:57 am

only tried 2 groups due to OAL is too long, when I tested at home it's ok but in the shooting range found out a little too long, hard to close the lever so only tried 2 3 shot 50 meters groups, 44.0 gr AR 2208 looks close to the sweet point

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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 09 Nov 2017, 10:01 am

44.8 looks spread a little, next time will try some 5 shot group near 44.0
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 16 Nov 2017, 9:29 am

more ammo test, some 3 shot groups, looks better than factory ammo, need further test
maybe will try 46.6 46.2 45.8 5x groups

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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 16 Nov 2017, 9:31 am

44.0 and lower are not good, 44.3 looks nearly the best low end point, next time will try 44.3 and 44.5 to find out

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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by Wm.Traynor » 16 Nov 2017, 2:13 pm

Your 5 shot group of 45.6 grains looks pretty good. Opened up a bit on the 3 shot groups, that's all. And the charge isn't too hot either :thumbsup: so extraction should be easy.
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by in2anity » 16 Nov 2017, 6:30 pm

sungazer wrote:Can you really push the non jacketed lead that fast? Seems pretty hot and fast to me. but im not a bullet maker so please inform me.


SHV those latest groups are with jacketed though right?
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by Wm.Traynor » 16 Nov 2017, 7:31 pm

in2anity wrote:
sungazer wrote:Can you really push the non jacketed lead that fast? Seems pretty hot and fast to me. but im not a bullet maker so please inform me.


SHV those latest groups are with jacketed though right?


Gee. I assumed they were :?
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 17 Nov 2017, 7:58 am

in2anity wrote:
sungazer wrote:Can you really push the non jacketed lead that fast? Seems pretty hot and fast to me. but im not a bullet maker so please inform me.


SHV those latest groups are with jacketed though right?


yes they are jacketed projectiles, TBF 150gr 308, I forgot to test the TB/cast lead ammo that evening :(
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by in2anity » 17 Nov 2017, 10:08 am

SHV wrote:
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sungazer wrote:Can you really push the non jacketed lead that fast? Seems pretty hot and fast to me. but im not a bullet maker so please inform me.


SHV those latest groups are with jacketed though right?


yes they are jacketed projectiles, TBF 150gr 308, I forgot to test the TB/cast lead ammo that evening :(


Thought so. I'm almost certain you already know this SHV, but for all of our sake I'll re-iterate: when you shoot lead through your BLR/any 308w bolt gun, you you can't push lead nearly as fast as jacketed; gotta stick to reduced single-action velocities (exactly like what you're doing in your win 94 30/30).

BTW I've been working on some of my own TB under lead loads for my tikka CTR 308w, I'll post my results after i get out to st marys.
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 17 Nov 2017, 10:13 am

in2anity wrote:
SHV wrote:
in2anity wrote:
sungazer wrote:Can you really push the non jacketed lead that fast? Seems pretty hot and fast to me. but im not a bullet maker so please inform me.


SHV those latest groups are with jacketed though right?


yes they are jacketed projectiles, TBF 150gr 308, I forgot to test the TB/cast lead ammo that evening :(


Thought so. I'm almost certain you already know this SHV, but for all of our sake I'll re-iterate: when you shoot lead through your BLR/any 308w bolt gun, you know you can't push lead nearly as fast as jacketed right?; gotta stick to reduced single-action velocities (exactly like what you're doing in your win 94 30/30).

BTW I've been working on some of my own TB under lead loads for my tikka CTR 308w, I'll post my results after i get out to st marys.


yes the lead needs to be less than 2,000 ft/s, I reckon 1,800 or below will be safe
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 23 Nov 2017, 10:06 am

tried TB with lead bullet 4-14x56 scope, CCI primer No. 200, 50 meters indoor, benchrest and rear bag, looks around 10gr is the best

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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by in2anity » 23 Nov 2017, 11:35 am

Groups a little tighter than ye-olde thudy-thudy doesn't it! :thumbsup:
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 23 Nov 2017, 12:49 pm

in2anity wrote:Groups a little tighter than ye-olde thudy-thudy doesn't it! :thumbsup:


This is scoped, next time try 9.8, 10.0 and 10.2 TB :lol:
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 23 Nov 2017, 1:00 pm

5x 46.6
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 23 Nov 2017, 1:02 pm

5x 44.5

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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 23 Nov 2017, 1:04 pm

5x 44.3

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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 23 Nov 2017, 1:06 pm

4x 44.1

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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 24 Nov 2017, 8:05 am

sungazer wrote:What bullet is that your using in the above 2208 pictures?


it is The Bullet Factory .308cal 150gn Hollow Point projectile
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by in2anity » 08 Dec 2017, 10:44 am

SHV wrote:it is The Bullet Factory .308cal 150gn Hollow Point projectile


I bought some of these recently; paid 44c a piece for them. Very very accurate (easily sub moa). Gonna use them on the chickens, pigs and turkeys.
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Re: New Toy, BLR Lightweight ‘81 Hog Stalker Takedown 308W

Post by SHV » 29 Dec 2017, 10:11 pm

finally got time to do a little seriously test,

45.8gr 5 shot, there is typo, should be TBF 150

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