in2anity wrote:Really good shooting SHV You can also sort your projectiles based on weight; there is sometimes a surprising discrepancy in those commercial cast projectiles. Oh and another thing, you could start to experiment with lubricants; a simple pan lube of 1 part paraffin wax (candle wax),1 part pure lard and 1/2 part beeswax tightened my groups up a measurable ammount. Take a squiz at my thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6817&start=54#p106634
SHV wrote:too many things to do try one by one maybe better idea
thanks a lot for your advises, really helpful
SHV wrote:looks like 17gr is better, easy to get average 5 shot group like this. if can see the target more clear(used pistol target at 50 meters, front sight and target both black and the target is too big... ) should be better than this,
Oldbloke wrote:My understanding is that marlin micro grooves are just shallower than normal but a few more of them. Easier and cheaper to manufacture.
But that isn't great for lead bullets. They Tenn to strip at lower speeds\pressures
Even my Marlin 223 doesn't like hot loads and I think this is the reason. My 3006 is the same.
in2anity wrote:Oldbloke wrote:My understanding is that marlin micro grooves are just shallower than normal but a few more of them. Easier and cheaper to manufacture.
But that isn't great for lead bullets. They Tenn to strip at lower speeds\pressures
Even my Marlin 223 doesn't like hot loads and I think this is the reason. My 3006 is the same.
Yes, but SHV's is a Winchester?
With regard to the microgroove and lead; I know that's the commonly circulated theory, but I think it's more or less a myth. I've done a lot of load development for the 30/30 microgroove and I got my groups down to a consistent 2moa:
I'm yet to see a winnie consistently group much tighter than that. I just don't think the microgroove is much of a (negative) factor (with lead).
in2anity wrote:SHV wrote:looks like 17gr is better, easy to get average 5 shot group like this. if can see the target more clear(used pistol target at 50 meters, front sight and target both black and the target is too big... ) should be better than this,
That looks about right; if you had some better sights it'd probably put 5 into an inch at 50m (i.e. ~2moa). SHV you should get it drilled an tapped for a rear aperture; that'll go a long way in realising the rifle's potential.
SHV wrote:1 inch group is amazing, iron sigh or scoped?
SHV wrote:got rear aperture now, but it is hunting aperture rather than target aperture, next time will try different target which I can see more clearly no need guess work and maybe try the small aperture
in2anity wrote:SHV wrote:got rear aperture now, but it is hunting aperture rather than target aperture, next time will try different target which I can see more clearly no need guess work and maybe try the small aperture
cool! was going to suggest the lyman looks right at-home on the 94! very nice! Btw who does your gun-smithing?