Keltec SU-16A - Initial Thoughts or Merry Christmas to Me!

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Keltec SU-16A - Initial Thoughts or Merry Christmas to Me!

Post by Eduardo » 02 Jan 2014, 2:47 am

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So, I had signed up to be notified for the availability of a Keltec SU16-A on a few websites several months back. I'd almost forgotten about it when I finally received a notice a couple of weeks ago so I pulled out the plastic and pulled the trigger.

It arrived at my FFL yesterday and I wasted no time in picking it up and heading into the woods to give it a go. Just some light shots of lube here and there, installed the Bushnell TRS-25 I ordered for it and strapped my supplies onto my ATV and headed up .

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I didn't have a great deal of time so I only grabbed 80 rounds with the expectation that I would not burn through it all. I got the rifle sighted in and just started plinking and threw up some targets. I ran through the 80 rounds pretty quick and was grinning from ear to ear afterward. Wicked fun gun. However, I did experience some failures. Two FTF's and three FTE's in total. I read this is common when breaking in this particular rifle so I will not judge it too harshly (yet). But I will note that my other semi-auto centerfire has never had any failures of any kind no matter what I have fed it (1500+ rounds and counting).

In addition, the spent shells of all 80 rounds are dented in a consistent manner upon ejection. Not sure if this is a problem but will call Keltec to be sure, if anyone has any insight I'm all ears.

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Aside from that the gun was great. Decent trigger, nice fit and finish. Some of the parts were stiff when I first started handling it but it is quickly breaking in. The bi-pod was a bitch to deploy and retract but now it's smoothed out some and I expect that to further improve. The mags were also stiff and would not eject but are getting better. Metal mags eject just fine. I replaced the takedown pin (which was also stiff) with a looped version to make it easier to pull out. Some people complain about the sights but I don't see why, they were fine for me. I'm also just barely able to co-witness with the Bushnell. Accuracy was decent from what little I have been able to gather in 80 short rounds. 2-4' groups at 50-ish yards leaning against a tree. If I were prone or bench resting that would be better. I'll post more on accuracy as I play with it more.

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After I got back I took it down and gave it a deep cleaning\lubing. Takedown is about as easy as any AR platform with maybe 60 seconds worth of extra effort. But easy nonetheless, everything seems to fit together nicely.

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Now, I'm a bit biased when I say this but I think I really like this gun. I have a thing for small, portable rifles designed to be in the field for extended periods. Most of my rifles share this theme to one extent or another. But this gun takes that concept to a higher level. It's just stupid light and ultra portable. I loved that my Ruger 10/22 Takedown is portable and all, but this gun has real punch. Centerfire power in a sub 5 lb package, what's not to like? I have a Mossbrg MVP Predator and a Ruger Gunsite Scout which are both great guns that share in the small field rifle theme but this thing feels like half the weight of those. Dare I say I enjoyed it more than an AR? Time will tell but all indications are that this is going to be a fun gun. I'll post more as I go and answer any questions you may have.

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Re: Keltec SU-16A - Initial Thoughts or Merry Christmas to

Post by Baldrick314 » 02 Jan 2014, 7:52 am

Looks nice mate. Everything I've seen from Keltec indicates they put a lot of thought into their firearms, it's just a shame we can't have any of them out here lol.

With the dinged necks I think the old sks' used to do the same thing and it was just something you had to deal with. They should go back round when you run them through a die
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Post by harlow » 02 Jan 2014, 8:19 am

That looks great.

Love the way it folds down with the hinge.
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Post by Hatter » 02 Jan 2014, 9:26 am

Them's some serious dents on the brass necks there.

Some of of ejection problem? Looks like it's tilting the brass and putting pressure on the neck while feeding it out?
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Post by Monty » 02 Jan 2014, 9:30 am

Any group photos forthcoming?
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Post by Deco » 02 Jan 2014, 9:34 am

That barrel mounted bipod setup is interesting.

What's the top bar you removed there? Support for the bipod so you don't stress the barrel?
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Post by Davies » 02 Jan 2014, 1:52 pm

I seriously need to move to the states.

Seeing this kind of stuff just makes me sad :lol:
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Post by gherx » 02 Jan 2014, 4:57 pm

Merry Christmas to you! 8-)
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Post by nords » 02 Jan 2014, 5:02 pm

Love how the foregrip doubles as a bipod.

Very clever.
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Post by sarki » 03 Jan 2014, 9:34 am

And the double magazine storage in the butt.
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Post by Eduardo » 04 Jan 2014, 1:05 am

That would be the recoil spring tube. It's removed as part of the takedown process.

Deco wrote:That barrel mounted bipod setup is interesting.

What's the top bar you removed there? Support for the bipod so you don't stress the barrel?
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Post by Eduardo » 04 Jan 2014, 1:07 am

But they should have made it lock into that position. It works, but would be more stable if it locked.

nords wrote:Love how the foregrip doubles as a bipod.

Very clever.
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Post by Eduardo » 04 Jan 2014, 1:13 am

I'll put something together after I pick up my next gun. I'm mostly through the approval process for my Ruger Single Six.

But here's a Ruger Gunsite Scout with an EOTech in the meantime.

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Post by Norton » 04 Jan 2014, 5:36 pm

Any progress on working out what's causing the brass denting?
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Post by Eduardo » 09 Jan 2014, 2:52 pm

Nothing yet, some of what I have read is that this is normal. However, I'm not buying it just yet. I still need to do some more shooting with it to make sure the problem is chronic. Due to the recent snap of seriously cold weather, I have not gotten out since my first an only range visit with the rifle. I think it is a problem with extraction. I want to try different loads\ammo to get a better picture of the symptoms. I will post up when I find out more.

Norton wrote:Any progress on working out what's causing the brass denting?
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Re: Keltec SU-16A - Initial Thoughts or Merry Christmas to

Post by Ken » 09 Jan 2014, 3:08 pm

Eduardo wrote:Nothing yet, some of what I have read is that this is normal. However, I'm not buying it just yet...


Yer... I can't really see a manufacturer designing something which crushes the neck of your brass with every ejection on purpose...

Keep on searching IMO.
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Re: Keltec SU-16A - Initial Thoughts or Merry Christmas to

Post by Eduardo » 17 Jan 2014, 3:39 am

Here's some updated picture of some recent add-ons.

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    Sightmark Quick Disconnect Scope Rings
    Lion Precision Trigger
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