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Oldbloke wrote:Oh dear.
Oldbloke wrote:Oh dear.
Jackaroo wrote:https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/politics/defense-security/20230616-116590/
geoff wrote:While everyone is busy pointing the finger at China, the real reason Australian government projects are a debacle is because our public service is a hollowed out wreck of an industry with only useless middle managers left. All the expertise has left to go work for consultancies, who now bill us multiple arms and legs every day to drag projects out for as long as possible.
All the re-work and "investigation" when the small stuff all stacks up to go pear shaped just equals more billable hours.
We used to have a competent, technical public service who executed these things on our behalf. Now we just have administrators who raise successive purchase orders for consultants.
But sure, china etc etc is the reason we can't make powder. The fact that Thales is there at all only serves to demonstrate this - classic hallmark of the neoliberal economics foisted upon us since the 70s and 80s. Sell sell sell, beg for scraps to come back.
We should have an economy that supports a private sector powder supply in a perfect world, but ultimately these core defence projects belong at the helm of the state.
on_one_wheel wrote:Oldbloke wrote:on_one_wheel wrote:mickb wrote:[ They are still playing by exactly the same rules we set up.
I think you need to read Sun Tzu's The Art of War, they play by their own rules and they've played the West like a violin.
s**t they've even had and probably still have CCP members working within our own government, making decisions and signing documents, those aren't rules we've made for them to play.
First I've heard that. Is it proven?
Your joking? It was prime time news, they literally loaded a mob of the commy pricks onto a plane and sent them home.
I'll have a search....
OK it was tied up with this
https://www.9news.com.au/national/chine ... 4b98ea8aa1
But unfortunately it looks like everything went hush hush over night.
I can clearly remember it being reported but there's absolutely zilch on the internet.
Next time I look there'll be no evidence on the net about smart Chinese security cameras that were installed in government facilities.
Jackaroo wrote:Just a thought.....like toilet paper and the WuFlu.....just how many tonnes would have to come onto shelves to satisfy domestic consumption taking into account the massive amount of hoarding and stockpiling that would occur and then when would the next shipment from ADI hit the shelves? and most likely that would be snapped up again aka dunny paper.
mickb wrote:and begs the question again why they cant figure this out, particularly AR2205. Unbelievable profits to grab. Surely it would double a normal years sales, just satisfying the hoarders. In fact regards AR2205 I'm going to lobby to call it white elephant powder because through all the excuses and defences blokes put up for us not getting pistol/shotgun powder, everyone conveniently ignores AR2205.....
Jackaroo wrote:Anyone actually written an email to ADI lately and asked what's going on? Did you get a reply? They usually do reply.
bladeracer wrote:Jackaroo wrote:Anyone actually written an email to ADI lately and asked what's going on? Did you get a reply? They usually do reply.
In February I asked: "Thought I'd chase you up for an update. Is there any further news on getting AR2205 out to the baying masses?
We're wondering what makes AR2205 so different from the other rifle powders that it can't be manufactured on the same line as those. AR2205 is a single-base powder isn't it?"
But I don't have a response in my email so I've just sent it again.
Oldbloke wrote:Well I just downloaded the SDS for IMR4227 (AKA 2205) and no mention of nitroglycerine.
So, single base.
https://shop.hodgdon.com/imr-4227/
rc42 wrote:Interestingly, Cleavers have announced this morning that they have a shipment of Alliant powder (including Red Dot and BE-86 pistol powders) due in the next few days and they are taking orders on their website.
After seeing the above Vista announcement a couple of weeks ago I wasn't expecting to see Alliant in Australia for several years.
rc42 wrote:Interestingly, Cleavers have announced this morning that they have a shipment of Alliant powder (including Red Dot and BE-86 pistol powders) due in the next few days and they are taking orders on their website.
After seeing the above Vista announcement a couple of weeks ago I wasn't expecting to see Alliant in Australia for several years.
bladeracer wrote:mickb wrote:and begs the question again why they cant figure this out, particularly AR2205. Unbelievable profits to grab. Surely it would double a normal years sales, just satisfying the hoarders. In fact regards AR2205 I'm going to lobby to call it white elephant powder because through all the excuses and defences blokes put up for us not getting pistol/shotgun powder, everyone conveniently ignores AR2205.....
Yep, that one doesn't make sense to me. It is the fastest rifle powder they offer so it doesn't seem coincidental when _all_ their powders faster than AR2205 are unavailable. Perhaps it is made on the current production line but it requires some significant alterations to the line to do so, which they're not willing to do while they're still pumping out the rifle powders?
No1Mk3 wrote:To those who think we are not making 2205, we are, literally making tonnes of it, but it is not available for domestic sales to reloaders. It is all used in mortar shells for Ukraine and NATO stockpiling.
No1Mk3 wrote:bladeracer wrote:mickb wrote:and begs the question again why they cant figure this out, particularly AR2205. Unbelievable profits to grab. Surely it would double a normal years sales, just satisfying the hoarders. In fact regards AR2205 I'm going to lobby to call it white elephant powder because through all the excuses and defences blokes put up for us not getting pistol/shotgun powder, everyone conveniently ignores AR2205.....
Yep, that one doesn't make sense to me. It is the fastest rifle powder they offer so it doesn't seem coincidental when _all_ their powders faster than AR2205 are unavailable. Perhaps it is made on the current production line but it requires some significant alterations to the line to do so, which they're not willing to do while they're still pumping out the rifle powders?
To those who think we are not making 2205, we are, literally making tonnes of it, but it is not available for domestic sales to reloaders. It is all used in mortar shells for Ukraine and NATO stockpiling.
deye243 wrote:I've beensaying this for years but no one listens AFAIC it's the same for pistol propellents as well .
bladeracer wrote:deye243 wrote:I've beensaying this for years but no one listens AFAIC it's the same for pistol propellents as well .
So, why did they release APS950 onto the market just last week?
bladeracer wrote:No1Mk3 wrote:To those who think we are not making 2205, we are, literally making tonnes of it, but it is not available for domestic sales to reloaders. It is all used in mortar shells for Ukraine and NATO stockpiling.
Do you have anything that supports this view?
I keep seeing it proffered but every time I ask for some facts to support it I get nothing.
deye243 wrote:bladeracer wrote:deye243 wrote:I've beensaying this for years but no one listens AFAIC it's the same for pistol propellents as well .
So, why did they release APS950 onto the market just last week?
So people like you belive their bs .
I question why release a powder they they know is the slowest seler even 20 years ago ap100 used to sit on the shelf for a very long time if they were going to make a run of powder and release it I think it would be ap450 or ap650 .
I assume this is a cancelled order and repacked or some they found in a dark corner somewhere.
JMHO
No1Mk3 wrote:bladeracer wrote:No1Mk3 wrote:To those who think we are not making 2205, we are, literally making tonnes of it, but it is not available for domestic sales to reloaders. It is all used in mortar shells for Ukraine and NATO stockpiling.
Do you have anything that supports this view?
I keep seeing it proffered but every time I ask for some facts to support it I get nothing.
Personal conversations with people in Defence and Defence Science.