how many need the accuracy they are chasing?

[in2anity]

The way I look at things, there are two components of accuracy. Precision and consistency.

(At the risk of stating the obvious) if you are shooting targets, you need both. For positional competition, such as service rifle or 3p field, consistency is just as important as the cold-bore shots stacking. The 3-shot, or 5-shot guarantee is pretty useless if by the tenth, the POI is wandering, or the group blows out to 3-4moa or worse. Let alone say a 25 round match, where the barrel gets HOT. Enter stage the mysterious world of bedding. Countless time has been invested in bedding clunkers to make the rifle predominantly more consistent (yet not necessarily anymore coldbore precise). Books are written about it. And in aformentioned positional match situations, consistency is paramount. Bedding counts, for consistency.

A heavy barrel just brute forces its way out of such bedding issues, which also relates to how it's inherently simpler to handload for a heavy/varmint barrel.

You need to find the appropriate level of precision and consistency, given the context in which you compete. For example, I tried running a #2100 "Light Weight Varmint contour", but guess what; they absolutely suck for standing offhand cause they are just too heavy and the fulcrum is all out of balance. Also somwhat poor in the sitting position. I had it turned down to something more like a #1450 "Super Weight Sporter" which made all the difference. Entire package now weighs 4.2kg with sling attached. Nice fulcrum point somewhere near the magazine. IMO just about perfect for 3p, yet still consistently 1moa from prone, with handloads. Rest assured, the error comes from the mug behind it, not anything else.

Handloads are decent enough, but I certainly aren't worried about turning the necks, or 0.1gr throw variance. It's of little consequence when limited to 400m and under.

[17Dave]

Handloading saves me no money, it just allows me to shoot more for the same budget. And the more I shoot the better I get at it. I chase bug holes on the ones that I like to stretch the legs on but I'm also content with 2moa on a scrub gun. Besides, all that I find handloading satisfying and therapeutic.

[Larry]

The guy that took a pot shot at Trump needed more accuracy. Why did it take so long and s**t they missed. It will only motivate his supporters more and the garbage he spews from his mouth will intensify.

[in2anity]

On all but the stillest of days, 22s are 100m guns at best. May as well throw stones.

[bigpete]

The guy that took a pot shot at Trump needed more accuracy. Why did it take so long and s**t they missed. It will only motivate his supporters more and the garbage he spews from his mouth will intensify.

Dammit, came here to say that lol

[on_one_wheel]

Came here to dance on the grave of the person who lost their life to a anti Trump nut job then ?

You two need to grow the f*** up.

[bigpete]

Its a joke,not a dick. Don't take it so hard.

[Lazarus]

This guy, I reckon

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[bigpete]

Ha ha my first centrefire rifle,a 1907 smle, shot like that

[Lazarus]

Ha ha my first centrefire rifle,a 1907 smle, shot like that

Rifles are funny things sometimes, my LA101 shoots most subsonics like a laser, CCI segmented subs seem to be the best non-target rounds.
CCI quiet, spray like a shotgun at over 10m, and the Aguila 60gn jobbies tumble seemingly as soon as they leave the barrel and keyhole even at 5m, yet Blade was getting some really good groups with them from his Ruger.
Weirdness

[bladeracer]

Ha ha my first centrefire rifle,a 1907 smle, shot like that

Rifles are funny things sometimes, my LA101 shoots most subsonics like a laser, CCI segmented subs seem to be the best non-target rounds.
CCI quiet, spray like a shotgun at over 10m, and the Aguila 60gn jobbies tumble seemingly as soon as they leave the barrel and keyhole even at 5m, yet Blade was getting some really good groups with them from his Ruger.
Weirdness

The Aguila 60gn shoots fine in my JW25A, about 25mm at 50m. I also tried them at 100m and 150m. Six 5rd groups at 100m gave me around 160mm, and 25rds at 150m gave me a 185mm group with no fliers outside that. I'd call it about average for .22LR ammo. I still haven't tried them in my Rugers. The Norincos have a slightly tighter twist rate which is enough to stabilise the very long 60gn bullet. I keep meaning to try them in the Rugers but never remember to grab them until I'm already setting up.

I found CCI Quiet to be good only to about 40m max, but in testing last month to set up a rifle for a night rabbit cull I found I was getting too many fliers in all three Rugers and the JW25A for it to be viable, so I've gone back to CCI Standard Velocity. Without the fliers the 10rd groups were acceptable but fifty percent fliers more than doubles the group.

[bigpete]

Ha ha my first centrefire rifle,a 1907 smle, shot like that

Rifles are funny things sometimes, my LA101 shoots most subsonics like a laser, CCI segmented subs seem to be the best non-target rounds.
CCI quiet, spray like a shotgun at over 10m, and the Aguila 60gn jobbies tumble seemingly as soon as they leave the barrel and keyhole even at 5m, yet Blade was getting some really good groups with them from his Ruger.
Weirdness

In my case the barrel was completely shot out

[Lazarus]

Sorry Blade, yes, it was the Norinco

Give the segmented a try, I'm very pleased with them.
No argument from Mista Rabbott either

[madang55]

Reloading and range testing keeps me out of the house, the kitchen, away from the laundry, mower, dryer, ironing board, painting, need I elaborate?

[Harronek]

Forums / Social Media / YouTube etc have a lot to answer for in regards to what people think is realistic / expected accuracy.
I’ll put my hand up and say I’ve been guilty of posting/ showing photos of groups I’ve shot that are exceptions rather than the norm .

Now that I’ve said that I will make a comment on this thread .
There are those that reload to shoot and those that shoot to reload .
Over time I’ve realised that I have become a shoot to reload guy .
To me now reloading and load development/ improvement is a great hobby that keeps me entertained and interested in my shooting .
A pleasant byproduct of all of that experimentation is when it does come time to hunt , I know my equipment is up to the challenge.
Any mistakes/ mishaps are on my abilities, not my equipment.
My fine tuned Rifles aren’t pushed to their limits in regards to distance , in fact I have probably reduced my max range in a hunting scenario over the years .
Buttt…… when I press the trigger, the bullet goes exactly where I want it to go .

[Oldbloke]

Forums / Social Media / YouTube etc have a lot to answer for in regards to what people think is realistic / expected accuracy.
I’ll put my hand up and say I’ve been guilty of posting/ showing photos of groups I’ve shot that are exceptions rather than the norm .

Now that I’ve said that I will make a comment on this thread .
There are those that reload to shoot and those that shoot to reload .
Over time I’ve realised that I have become a shoot to reload guy .
To me now reloading and load development/ improvement is a great hobby that keeps me entertained and interested in my shooting .
A pleasant byproduct of all of that experimentation is when it does come time to hunt , I know my equipment is up to the challenge.
Any mistakes/ mishaps are on my abilities, not my equipment.
My fine tuned Rifles aren’t pushed to their limits in regards to distance , in fact I have probably reduced my max range in a hunting scenario over the years .
Buttt…… when I press the trigger, the bullet goes exactly where I want it to go .

Way to go.