Woodleigh .270 150gr PP

[MtnMan]

I'm looking at loading these in case I hunt Sambar.

I can't find anyone stocking them.
I you have some that you don't want or know where I could get some let me know.

Any other 150gr sambar bullet suggestions for 270win? (something without a ridiculous price tag)

[bigpete]

They are making them again and in theory a gun shop can order them in but.....I've been waiting 6 weeks for some 310gn .358 calibre soft points I ordered so hopefully you're not in a rush

[deye243]

Several years ago a mate of mine dropped four in a month just using Winchester 150 grain powerpoints the round nose ones , on one of them it was 60 yard shot bullet entered front right leg transversed all the way down to the rear left hind quarter and a very nice mushroom it was to somehow I don't think 270 needs a fancy bullet I am actually considering buying a 270 myself just as a lightweight walk around rifle and will probably just put seirra spitzers in it as they are also a very good pill .
And another very underrated pill is the speer hot cores and the grand slams but for some reason no one uses them probably because they don't have a fancy placy tip

[mchughcb]

I'm looking at loading these in case I hunt Sambar.

I can't find anyone stocking them.
I you have some that you don't want or know where I could get some let me know.

Any other 150gr sambar bullet suggestions for 270win? (something without a ridiculous price tag)

I loaded up a few hundred for a mate. 130gr speer hot core . They kill , accurate and cheap.

[MtnMan]

And another very underrated pill is the speer hot cores and the grand slams but for some reason no one uses them probably because they don't have a fancy placy tip

I have the last dozen of old school grand slams I had loaded up.
The new grand slams aren't the same as the the old ones that came in a translucent orange plastic box. They are simpler in design and aren't the premium bullet of yore

[Oldbloke]

Speer hot core have a good name, they certainly work.

Perhaps also consider Hornady interlocks.

I'm a big believer in buying popular stuff. It's always available and usually popular for a reason.

[deye243]

And another very underrated pill is the speer hot cores and the grand slams but for some reason no one uses them probably because they don't have a fancy placy tip

I have the last dozen of old school grand slams I had loaded up.
The new grand slams aren't the same as the the old ones that came in a translucent orange plastic box. They are simpler in design and aren't the premium bullet of yore

Yes I know but for a sambar you don't need all this super bullet stuff they are just a deer ...... makes you wonder how did we ever drop one 40 years ago with just factory win and rem loads I used to use a 30 06 rem woodsmaster auto with a 18" barrel and it would be lucky to be doing 308 speeds and it put down plenty .

[MtnMan]

Speer hot core have a good name, they certainly work.

Perhaps also consider Hornady interlocks.

I'm a big believer in buying popular stuff. It's always available and usually popular for a reason.

My standard go to load is the 130gr interlocks. great bullets.


I should have mentioned that this 150gr load might chase camels and scrubbers too.

[Oldbloke]

"should have mentioned that this 150gr load might chase camels and scrubbers"

Then why not interlocks?

[Wapiti]

May I suggest the Aussie made Atomic-29 projectiles?
Cameron Strachan makes unreal soft copper CNC monolithic bullets, although his is .270 bullet is 130 grains.
I've found that a copper bullet of a lighter weight, (maybe 20% lighter) seems to perform similar to the next size up commonly considered accepted for certain size game.
Cameron's have a solid copper hollow-point design, which causes an awesome mushroom, not petals that break off as in another brand.

Caveat... I've never shot a Sambar but I have knocked Elk and boars with up to 2" thick gristly shoulder shields using a 155gn Atomic in .308... these hold together on these animals in a 300WM and surprisingly, my 300RUM which on big boars, a 165 Accubond is completely powderised due to the impact velocity of this cartridge. Normal cup & core projectiles are quite disappointing on game in this cartridge. The 150gn copper Atomic craps on the supposed bonded core Accubond and Woodleigh Weldcores in 150gns that I tried, which grenade every time.

I only say this because I'm suggesting a lighter bullet than you asked about, however these solid copper projectiles perform better that the next upsize in bonded lead from my experience on tougher animals. In other words, you can go down a size.

I have tried the 175gn Atomic .308 bullets in the 300 on a scrubber bull on a mates place up in the hills, and I reckon they whack better than a 200gn Bonded lead/copper bullet. Sambar would be spifflicated in comparison to a 800kg muscled psychotic bull.

My thinking is, yes they are around the same price per 50 of Woodleighs or Accubonds, but are Aussie made and mushroom beautifully (don't petal out like Barnes and break off), but you are supporting an Aussie, are always available by mail order, and really, how many rounds do you fire at game as opposed to paper?

[Wapiti]

Again, not .270, but an example of how a super-light rifle can shoot these Aussie made projectiles. How they perform on game for you is up to you to find out.

[Blr243]

Pretty sure sellier and bellot make 150 round nose 150 weight pills in 270. I think they were sensibly priced too. Pretty sure I have some. I don’t know anything about sambar. Never seen one.

[bladeracer]

Copper bullets you often have to drop back a step in weight anyway otherwise they get too long to stabilise.

May I suggest the Aussie made Atomic-29 projectiles?
Cameron Strachan makes unreal soft copper CNC monolithic bullets, although his is .270 bullet is 130 grains.
I've found that a copper bullet of a lighter weight, (maybe 20% lighter) seems to perform similar to the next size up commonly considered accepted for certain size game.
Cameron's have a solid copper hollow-point design, which causes an awesome mushroom, not petals that break off as in another brand.

Caveat... I've never shot a Sambar but I have knocked Elk and boars with up to 2" thick gristly shoulder shields using a 155gn Atomic in .308... these hold together on these animals in a 300WM and surprisingly, my 300RUM which on big boars, a 165 Accubond is completely powderised due to the impact velocity of this cartridge. Normal cup & core projectiles are quite disappointing on game in this cartridge. The 150gn copper Atomic craps on the supposed bonded core Accubond and Woodleigh Weldcores in 150gns that I tried, which grenade every time.

I only say this because I'm suggesting a lighter bullet than you asked about, however these solid copper projectiles perform better that the next upsize in bonded lead from my experience on tougher animals. In other words, you can go down a size.

I have tried the 175gn Atomic .308 bullets in the 300 on a scrubber bull on a mates place up in the hills, and I reckon they whack better than a 200gn Bonded lead/copper bullet. Sambar would be spifflicated in comparison to a 800kg muscled psychotic bull.

My thinking is, yes they are around the same price per 50 of Woodleighs or Accubonds, but are Aussie made and mushroom beautifully (don't petal out like Barnes and break off), but you are supporting an Aussie, are always available by mail order, and really, how many rounds do you fire at game as opposed to paper?

[Wapiti]

Yeah I heard that. Haven't seen (or looked) for anything in .30 over 175gns in copper, because of how these work for what people often say is tough game.

Years ago I tried Barnes projectiles in .308 and .338 and found that what was a medium load with jacketed lead became very high pressure with solid copper. Put me off.
That isn't what I found with the Aussie made ones though. Ends up that I can straight swap load-for-load between copper projies and cheap cop/core like SST's or Hot-cors with same powder charge, same POA. So can swap loads depending on animals being chased without thinking about changing zero settings.

If Woodleighs were easier to find earlier this year I'd be using them.

[deye243]

Wapiti cup and core bullets are fine in a 300rum IF used for the cartridges designed purpose.

[Bello]

Hi Mate
In my 270 (Sako finnlight) I have loaded 130gr Sierra Pro hunter.
I tried other projectiles; this one wasn't bad and they are a tried and tested projectile. I restrict all my shots to under 200 meters.
I have tried to move away from all the fancy stuff that gets touted these days. I just wanted something that has worked through the ages.
My 2c

[MtnMan]

I have a reduced load using the 110gr pro hunter. 39gr AR2206H for 2550fps.
Very mild noise and recoil which is great for my 10yo son. Works great on pigs, goats and fallow so far. shots are inside 150m.

[Wapiti]

Wapiti cup and core bullets are fine in a 300rum IF used for the cartridges designed purpose.

Actually you might like to enlighten me where I'm going wrong, what exactly is this designed purpose? Not being a smartarse here either.

Boring explanation coming up...

My hunting-weight 300RUM in a 26" barrel throws 150gn bullets out at 300-350fps faster than in my 24.5" 300WM's, which if shoulder shooting large boars with thick gristle shoulder shields, makes a HUGE difference in instant kills. Not talking about thin-skinned sows and half-grown things either. In fact for me, I stopped using the 300RUM until I solved this issue.
The sheer speed of the 150gn cup&core projectiles @3500+fps in the 300RUM (from using a chrony, and using 2217 or 2225 powder) sees them blow into pieces by the time they've gotten through the shoulder pad, and nothing is left but little shards that basically shotgun through the chest cavity. I'm talking conventional soft points or "protected points" here, forget about Ballistic Tips etc as they are hand grenades in the RUM. Crow bullets. The pigs take off like all hell and can run for 500m+ and can be really hard to find in our hilly and rocky gully country. Sure, they die, but I'm not into that at all.
Same projectiles in the 300WM @3200 drops them like a schoolbag at the front door, with maybe the odd issue of the above if the shou;lder bone does something weird to them. But hardly never do they move from the shot point.
Same projectile again in the 308Win, and I've often found the bullets on the offside, and they never run.
Slow the projectiles down in a smaller cased cartridge, and with cup&core bullets the instant-drop performance actually goes up.
Go over 3100-3200fps and they get a bit erratic, and at 3500+ they are failing.

I gut every pig and use it for something or someone, and there aren't any organs in there intact with cup&core, and to see the offside internal rib cage with hundreds of imbedded copper and lead pieces that sprayed everywhere sticking out inside tells the story.
Whereas the shock of one single piece mushrooming and travelling through all the broken bones makes a huge difference and an instant anchor.

The only way I've solved it is to go to up the weight, to slow them down a bit, and use only bonded-core projectiles. I've had excellent results with the Nosler Accubonds in 180gns, they do the bang,flop just like a 150-165 in a 300WM in cup&core.
I tried 165gn bonded-cores and maybe a little improvement. 180 bonded/solid is the minimum.
There's no shortage of pigs here, so I've done heaps of testing as my favourite cals all use .308 projectiles, and I drag one around every day.

I have a 28" Stiller actioned, Lilja barrelled A5 stocked monster 300RUM that shoots 250gn Matchkings with 8+MOA less drop at 1000m than my 338LAP with 250's, at the same muzzle velocity. Incredible cartridge, worth playing with.
So that's why I'm trying the solid copper projectiles. They are actually cheaper, posted to my door, than American Accubonds that I have to chase stock all over the place, if I can even get any, and an Aussie is making them.

Maybe, the designed purpose for the 300RUM is much heavier bullets than 180, 200-220 perhaps to up the mass to slow them down. But then, what's the point? Fun I guess.

[deye243]

No offence taken .
It was actually designed to impact large animals like Elk so I suppose you could put Sambar in on that from about 600 + yards but like Australians love doing they pick a lot of long range calibers and shoot things that 50 to 100 yards with them and complain when cup and core bullets don't do what they're supposed to do it's about impact velocity but I do understand your problem monolithic bullets will solve that in one shot.
Swift A frame would probably do alright to but very exy.
I also once heard one bloke in a gunshop whinging very loudly that burger bullets were rubbish because he lost two deer albeit 50 yards and Less I dint have the heart to tell the knuckel head they are designed to impact way further than that as they are a VLD bullet that would be like criticising a round nose projectile for being crap at 800y .

[Wapiti]

No offence taken .
It was actually designed to impact large animals like Elk so I suppose you could put Sambar in on that from about 600 + yards but like Australians love doing they pick a lot of long range calibers and shoot things that 50 to 100 yards with them and complain when cup and core bullets don't do what they're supposed to do it's about impact velocity but I do understand your problem monolithic bullets will solve that in one shot.
Swift A frame would probably do alright to but very exy.
I also once heard one bloke in a gunshop whinging very loudly that burger bullets were rubbish because he lost two deer albeit 50 yards and Less I dint have the heart to tell the knuckel head they are designed to impact way further than that as they are a VLD bullet that would be like criticising a round nose projectile for being crap at 800y .

You are right, I learnt that the hard way!
For feral animals, it's certainly a fetish cartridge. Great fun though.
Turned out that a boring unfashionable 308 with a simple cup/core bullet just does the job no matter what, for what tends to create problems round here.
I reckon if fireworks didn't make loud boom shock waves, only pretty lights, we would look at something else for fun.

[Wapiti]

Hi Mate
In my 270 (Sako finnlight) I have loaded 130gr Sierra Pro hunter.
I tried other projectiles; this one wasn't bad and they are a tried and tested projectile. I restrict all my shots to under 200 meters.
I have tried to move away from all the fancy stuff that gets touted these days. I just wanted something that has worked through the ages.
My 2c

Mate that's an awesome result.
Did the Pro Hunter go to a plastic tip too? I saw my favourite Gamekings seem to have.
200m, me too, I restrict my shots to about that range, because of my ability more than anything else!

[deye243]

No offence taken .
It was actually designed to impact large animals like Elk so I suppose you could put Sambar in on that from about 600 + yards but like Australians love doing they pick a lot of long range calibers and shoot things that 50 to 100 yards with them and complain when cup and core bullets don't do what they're supposed to do it's about impact velocity but I do understand your problem monolithic bullets will solve that in one shot.
Swift A frame would probably do alright to but very exy.
I also once heard one bloke in a gunshop whinging very loudly that burger bullets were rubbish because he lost two deer albeit 50 yards and Less I dint have the heart to tell the knuckel head they are designed to impact way further than that as they are a VLD bullet that would be like criticising a round nose projectile for being crap at 800y .

You are right, I learnt that the hard way!
For feral animals, it's certainly a fetish cartridge. Great fun though.
Turned out that a boring unfashionable 308 with a simple cup/core bullet just does the job no matter what, for what tends to create problems round here.
I reckon if fireworks didn't make loud boom shock waves, only pretty lights, we would look at something else for fun.

Fun is right I'm about to buy a 270w for 2 reasons one deer but the main reason is a 90g speer TNT doing 3700fps should remove a roos head very nicely not to mention considerable damage with a fox especially with a full front-on shot .

[Fester]

The Yanks love Woodleigs for a very good reason, they just work an bigger tougher animals.
The controlled expansion beats a plastic tip and boat tail that can cause jacket separation any day.

I will also choose a soft point for a deer pill and noticed the Speer Hotcor is very similar in shape the the 140 PSP Woodleigh.
It also shoots much the same with my warmed-up PSP load to get them shooting OK as they are no target bullet.

[MtnMan]

Fun is right I'm about to buy a 270w for 2 reasons one deer but the main reason is a 90g speer TNT doing 3700fps should remove a roos head very nicely not to mention considerable damage with a fox especially with a full front-on shot .

I shot the 90gr TNT years ago. very effective for what you want