Fester wrote:Shooters have always been a funny mob and their own worst enemies; farmers seem to have a similar attitude, in general, from what I have noticed.
Can't really blame us, like abos, when attacked for so long, we end up fending for ourselves and hitting back on the latte fefties that hate us and every outdoorsman type.
Farmers can isolate and just manage their own plot so it's understandable that they end up with a different attitude.
I feel that we are the last generation of shooters in Aus, then they will come for the land lockouts and the multis will try and take the smaller farms, and it ends up like Bill Gates in England taking over food supplies and pretending he is fighting for the environment.
I avoid the weird forum ****** as much as possible, as the dedicated forums are one of my last special interest resources.
I can get entertainment from Farcebook but we all know if you asked which way is up, you would get pages of different answers, ending up with abuse and name-calling.
I seen a lot of forums die and don't intend to help do that.
Seen one track day forum, that was huge and our only dedicated site for info died because of one bloke that made his money working on bikes, so attacked anything blokes did when rebuilding stat write-off motorcycles, as he thought it was his domain.
In the end, he would have lost lots of customers from the forum.
The moral is like WE ALL LOSE.
We can all see the damage corporate greed has done, and greedflation loved the Covid excuse.
Now it's any excuse will do, the banks, insurance companies, and supermarkets will just keep going like they are, as no one can stop them, apart from a strong, honest govt, and we won't be having any of that until we have reached rock bottom.
When I got back into shooting after about a 30-year break, I was in ammo price shock, and that was about 12-13 years back.
I got straight into reloading and was happy to just have 2 small bottles of each powder, a spare 1,000 pack of each CCI primer type, so I could never run out. Didn't need to stock 1,000 packs of projies, just a few hundred.
Well then the shortages came, and I had to buy spare bricks of 22lr ammo and boxes of primers, then 4KG powder containers and that spare one for the ones that run out.
Then the shortage price gouging, so I also had to buy up on thousand packs of Super roos to keep shooting as it's cheap, like shooting 22lr.
When I told a funny type of full-time RO who made a lot of enemies for his bad attitude and attacking range punters for anything he could, rather than just explaining and being honest, that shooters will start shooting less with the prices going as they are, he laughed and said they will just pay, and keep shooting.
I said it after he was sacked by one manager and started at another big range, causing the same trouble there. He told me the clay shooting was too cheap and the govt range should raise the prices.
A few years on and blokes are throwing less exy ammo into the dirt, he is no longer a paid RO, the shops are not doing well.
I think the big boys could see the middle-class suburban Assies were doing too well in the good times decade or more, with all the boats, vans, and other toys in the yards, and went for the earn.
Like mentioned in this thread, their wealth has doubled and trippled in short time.
Also look at how many of them are around Allan Joyce can't go broke, just go live somewhere else with his boyfriends.
All those other failed CEOs and ex pollies with their real estate empires.
Like the pest animals, the balance has now changed and the small people have been taken down.
The so-called middle class will likely end up going back to the working class and the filthy rich ruling class.
They can then start talking about the trickle-down effect again lol
That's my rant, but discussion beats one-liners, hanging crap on each other.
WOW! Now that's what I call a rant! Agree with most of it, meeself.
. don't worry about drifting , i do it all the time unintentionally . i love a lot of the aspects of this forum , i've learned a lot from knowledgeable people on here over the years . like you, i get a little annoyed at times when people attack each other personally instead of good debate with valid points and facts . i'm all for freedom of speech , but it needs to be reasonably respectful . there was a fella on here a few years ago who got into a online argument , and the other fella tracked him down in real life . if i remember correctly, the cops got involved . 
