Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by PoorShot300 » 18 Nov 2018, 11:53 am

:thumbsup: Thanks Stix, yeah sorta, makes it hard when you don't have one in front of you, I'm more of a tactile learner, not from books. I like "hands on" to see what and how things work.

Making headway at least, more research and number crunching ahead... :thumbsup:
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Nov 2018, 12:05 pm

PoorShot300 wrote:Thanks Blade, always count on you for input... how are those bullpup Rugers going? Last I read you were onto another project, but i haven't caught up with the result?

The more I look, the more confused I get even with just ONE makers gear,...and the more I see $$$ flowing out the wallet rofl.

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I'm still shooting the "Mark 1" version :-)

There are more individual techniques, and products, to reloading than could ever be listed in one place, it's just a matter of discovering which ones suit you best.
I also have the Lee hand press which is handy for doing things away from the bench. Prepping brass in your lap for example (don't do it naked!), and priming.
I have two Lee O-frame presses, a C-frame, and the hand press, so I just use whichever best suits me at the time.

My inherent clumsiness is the main reason I don't like the press-mounted priming system, it's just another thing to be bumping into. It's also why the better access of the C-frame can be a breath of fresh air when I don't need the strength of the O-frame.

I am also inherently sceptical about letting mechanical devices make quality control decisions for me, which is why I dislike progressive, or even turret presses - I need to be in there at every step myself. In the last couple of years I have started using the powder thrower for loading my milsurp ammo and been really impressed with it. But when I'm loading modern ammo I am still throwing it to the pan, then onto the scale to confirm and adjust the charge before dumping it into the brass. The accuracy is sufficient that I'm sure at some point I'll be throwing all my charges through it. When I do milsurp loads I prefer to throw the whole tray so I can then visually inspect that all charges are at the same level in the brass before moving to seating bullets in them. I shot a 35mm 5rd group at 50m from my No.4Mk1* Rifle this week with open sights so I'm happy with the ammo.

As Gaz mentioned above, the Lee beam scale is a pain to use in the hands of a clumsy like me, but it is accurate, so is handy to check sometimes that the digital is being truthful.
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by PoorShot300 » 18 Nov 2018, 4:21 pm

:evil: Dang computer.. had a post then thing froze up and lost it. :evil:

I don't yet have the rifle these enquiries are for (sorting purchase out this week & PTA) so it's not an immediate purchase, though it won't be far behind. I am stuck between two presses, but the link above also now has me thinking of the 60th Anniversary model with an improved powder thrower & updated hand primer...

On the other hand, I'm gonna have to crunch more numbers regarding individual component purchase so as not to be duplicitous (scales, shell holders etc...the little things that add up)...I don't have much room so do need to keep it basic, and my history of re-selling un-used/wanted items has not been favourable.

So for now I will have....Hornady 55+62gn, Rem, Aussie O/B, and Federal A/E in 55gn as a start to see what it likes. I have also bought 100 OSA once fired brass as it appears to be developing a good reputation. Burn in will be with the Rem + Federal, then I'll see whether the TAP, Steel Match and OSA Varmint give good results.

It's understood reloading is a time consuming process and my final 'sweet load' may be miles from any of these, but hey it was cheap and a place to start. Then comes the triple P chemistry lessons... :crazy:

BTW Blade?...as a rollie smoker (hot dropping dangly's), I ain't up for doing much anything nude round my place...lol. :mrgreen:

As usual, the members here are a font of knowledge, and I appreciate everyone's input.

Oh yeah, I had an ad looking for a used rifle, decided to bite the bullet and go NEW!!! (sighhh...AGAIN.)

Shiny, shiny, nah nah, nah, nah...
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by TassieTiger » 18 Nov 2018, 4:41 pm

Another hand primer here...I like doing bulk single stage steps...I’ll do 100 cleans, 100 resize, 100 hand primes...and so on.
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by PoorShot300 » 18 Nov 2018, 5:17 pm

Thanks Tassie, seems to be a theme developing here, makes one wonder why press priming was developed in the first place lol...

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Post by Bills Shed » 18 Nov 2018, 5:53 pm

Priming is one of those jobs you just do not need a press for and is easily done when watching a movie. Just like deburring, primer pocket un forming etc, highly portable task.
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by Stix » 18 Nov 2018, 6:00 pm

PoorShot300 wrote:Thanks Tassie, seems to be a theme developing here, makes one wonder why press priming was developed in the first place lol...

Cheers


Mate im a carpenter...my skin is that thick & callused i test sharpness of my knives by how easy i can carve hunks of flesh off my hands... ( :shock: ) :lol:
Seriously, sometimes ill just use my hands to sand off cement render in spots... :crazy:

A week ago i prepped & hand primed (& loaded) just over 300 cases in a mad loading rush & i had mutha fukka blisters under my calluses from the hand priming...!!!
The pain was unreal...!!

I should have done half on the press to lessen the pain...it was just sheer pig headed stupidity that forced me to push through the last 50....just cos im a sucker for punishment. :roll:

Sometimes its good to use or at least have a press handy...one day you might injure a hand or the hand prime tool may break the night before a hunt/shoot & without the ability to prime on the press you may not be able to load.. :thumbsup:

You can develop a "feel" for priming on the press, just like you can/will with seating bullets....

Which ever way you end up going, id still suggest having & trying both methods & develop what works for you... :thumbsup:
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by Bills Shed » 18 Nov 2018, 6:24 pm

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A week ago i prepped & hand primed (& loaded) just over 300 cases in a mad loading rush & i had mutha fukka blisters under my calluses from the hand priming...!!!
The pain was unreal...!![/quote]

Blisters? What hand prime tool were you Using? I often do 500 rifle cases in a sitting with a Sinclair hand primer. It is quite large and fits in the hand easy. Not like those little dinky Lee hand primers. I find them very small and hard to hold. Mind you all my primer pockets are uniformed and primers go in very smoothly. At the end of the day if it works ...use it.

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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by Stix » 18 Nov 2018, 6:31 pm

Bills Shed wrote:

A week ago i prepped & hand primed (& loaded) just over 300 cases in a mad loading rush & i had mutha fukka blisters under my calluses from the hand priming...!!!
The pain was unreal...!![/quote]

Blisters? What hand prime tool were you Using? I often do 500 rifle cases in a sitting with a Sinclair hand primer. It is quite large and fits in the hand easy. Not like those little dinky Lee hand primers. I find them very small and hard to hold. Mind you all my primer pockets are uniformed and primers go in very smoothly. At the end of the day if it works ...use it.

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I use the lee ergoprime.
Some of the cases were uniformed & some not.
Still even some of the uniformed ones are tight for some reason, despite me ensuring the pockets were as even as i could when they were uniformed.
Im not keen on uniforming them again.

Some cases the primer slips in real easy (none or barely any resistance)...im slightly concerned those are too loose...?...but i shoot em anyway...
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by PoorShot300 » 18 Nov 2018, 6:46 pm

Ahhh, well I guess we can put that down to me imagining my own circumstance, as I won't be a club shooter, and likely very few hunts a year... seems the new hand-loader from Lee would alleviate the blister issue also, as it's meant to be "one finger" operation from what i read. Anyone here got one yet?

Point taken though about trying both and making my own mind up. As noted earlier, I have limited space, so I am also wondering if any readers are using the tripod (or similar) mount for the press, as opposed to being on a workbench? If so, how does it work out for you and are there any "gotcha's" as such? It seems you need some kind of decent weight suspended underneath to stablise any movement, so what do you use for that purpose?

So Stix,...with all those blister hurting like a mother fukka, how'd the mad rush load job go on the field the next day, or rather, how'd your hands hold up for the shoot?

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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by TassieTiger » 18 Nov 2018, 6:49 pm

Stix wrote:
PoorShot300 wrote:Thanks Tassie, seems to be a theme developing here, makes one wonder why press priming was developed in the first place lol...

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Mate im a carpenter...my skin is that thick & callused i test sharpness of my knives by how easy i can carve hunks of flesh off my hands... ( :shock: ) :lol:
Seriously, sometimes ill just use my hands to sand off cement render in spots... :crazy:

A week ago i prepped & hand primed (& loaded) just over 300 cases in a mad loading rush & i had mutha fukka blisters under my calluses from the hand priming...!!!
The pain was unreal...!!

I should have done half on the press to lessen the pain...it was just sheer pig headed stupidity that forced me to push through the last 50....just cos im a sucker for punishment. :roll:

Sometimes its good to use or at least have a press handy...one day you might injure a hand or the hand prime tool may break the night before a hunt/shoot & without the ability to prime on the press you may not be able to load.. :thumbsup:

You can develop a "feel" for priming on the press, just like you can/will with seating bullets....

Which ever way you end up going, id still suggest having & trying both methods & develop what works for you... :thumbsup:


That’s interesting - 300 would give you blisters from press handle anyway lol.

But seriously, some hand press devices are a lot harder than others AND I recently purchased a couple hundred new lapua cases and I needed next to zero pressure to seat the primers - I was so concerned I popped a couple back out but nope, they were good to go - I even let my kid do a couple with the safety gear on!
The press priming tool works fine - but I like to concentrate on the die action at this relatively early stage of my reloading career, and the couple times I did experiment with primer press, a few loaded okay, some slipped out, some got stuck, etc. with more experience I’ve no doubt it would be sorted, but now I consider hand priming my hand muscle work out...next bastard that shakes your hand like Donald trump on acid, ask him if he reloads lol.
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by PoorShot300 » 18 Nov 2018, 6:54 pm

"next bastard that shakes your hand like Donald trump on acid, ask him if he reloads lol." :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by SCJ429 » 18 Nov 2018, 7:57 pm

I bought a $190 K&M primer seater with a dial indicator, I find I do a pretty good job with my old RCBS bench mounted primer seater. RCBS impressed me when they sent me new primer holders for free. I do most of my priming with the RCBS and only occasionally use the K&M.
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Post by PoorShot300 » 18 Nov 2018, 10:32 pm

Thanks for your input SCJ429, that sounds like great service from RCBS...

COOPER...sorry, somehow I missed the pic you included, must have been around when my comp. was freezing up...
Thanks for painting the picture of how that works, much clearer in my mind now...added to blades info,.
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by eddahenry » 20 Nov 2018, 10:21 am

yep Hand prime for me I use the Lee ERGO prime and can easily do 500 cases at a time
the Auto hand prime that comes with the kits is a lot less comfortable (a mate has one) as you are kinda stuck using your thumb
But i say get the Press with the hand prime because it comes with a full set of hand prime shell holders , so you can upgrade to a ergo prime later on i think it was the Breech Lock Challenger Kit that comes with the auto hand prime
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Digital scale and the Ergo prime :)
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by PoorShot300 » 20 Nov 2018, 1:20 pm

Thanks eddahenry, I have been leaning in that direction for the shell holders as well, but am curious to read about the new handloader which apparently is capable of being operated with just one finger... there is a 60th Anniversary kit out now, but not much by way of availability in Aus as yet.

I already own a cpl of digital scales i use to weigh jewellery etc so that's not an issue..

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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by ob1 » 21 Nov 2018, 10:58 am

Do some Youtube research to help you make a decision about what equipment you want.

Here is one Youtube video about the reloading process on a single stage press.

https://youtu.be/v2ldwFVtm08

If you are going to load hundreds of rounds at a time you may want a progressive press. Youtube, again.
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Re: Lee (open to others also) reloaders please assist?

Post by PoorShot300 » 21 Nov 2018, 11:08 am

Thanks ob1, I have limited download due to wireless, but have a cpl of ytube vids already...I like the look of progressive, but don't imagine I'd make full use of it and the additional cost. It looks like it will be single stage for my needs.

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