TassieTiger wrote:I followed up yesterday and today...apparently it’s possibly gone missing or in limbo transit...it’s not at lgs (sent it before Xmas) and Winchester advise they haven’t received it...
TassieTiger wrote:Cheers for advice MM.
They are chasing again today...
I understand RE gunsmith vs forums But I am surprised that they were so dismissive of forums in entirety...as others have said, if I am looking for my next firearm...forums are where I’m looking for good / solid / real world advice. Surely, manufacturers can recognise this? Irvin my opinion...they should be.
TassieTiger wrote:Yeah - I don’t agree that they would be trying to answer or justify things - it would be too much. I’d say they are just a tool for a manufacturing co for research and similar.
TassieTiger wrote:So for those that can recall - this 30-06 STEYR accuracy was being questioned out of the box...
It's now been 6 weeks and Winchester Vic have STILL not received the rifle for testing.
Many people warned me about the customer service that I might receive...I was hoping for something different.
So out of the 10 weeks I've actually owned this rifle, it has been sent back and forth between couriers for over 6 weeks between gun shops / winchester without anyone actually doing anything.
I'm so tempted to lodge a Aust consumer law complaint and just get a refund...I'll give them another week.
marksman wrote:and that the “general” base projectile weight for the 06 is the 180gn projectile is totally wrong, the 300wm was made to shoot the 180's efficiently
the ballistics of a 30-06 shooting 180 grain projectiles is shocking,
it's something you would use at close range to thump the sh!t out of a big animal hoping to stop it in its tracks
marksman wrote:it really isn't doing what you want it to or expected is it Tassie
there smith did very basic test's to the rifle and could not get it to shoot the 180's, he is no precision guru though (I do know who he is)
the problem will be the barrel twist rate, the 30-06 should have a 1 in 10" twist to shoot up to 220 grain bullets
there may have been a mix up with the barrel used at the factory, some different makers use a 1 in 12" twist for there 308 barrels for up to 170"s
I couldn't find what the Steyr barrels twist rates are
but anyway you want to shoot the 180's and it wont so really what do you want to do about it Tassie
I would also like to ad that IMHO you will not get good results shooting a kicker like a 30-06 in a lead sled, very agricultural thinking
and that the “general” base projectile weight for the 06 is the 180gn projectile is totally wrong, the 300wm was made to shoot the 180's efficiently
the ballistics of a 30-06 shooting 180 grain projectiles is shocking,
it's something you would use at close range to thump the sh!t out of a big animal hoping to stop it in its tracks
here is part of the history written about the 30-06 from ballistic studies web site showing what it was made to shoot
"In 1905, Germany adopted a light 154 grain bullet for the 8x57 at an extremely high velocity of 2890fps. The U.S, keen to embrace new technologies, immediately set about upgrading the .30-03 cartridge. A more aerodynamic 150 grain pointed projectile was created and along with this, the .30-03 case was shortened by .07 of an inch (1.8mm) to optimize the new bullet design. This was the birth of the .30 US cartridge of 1906 known today as the .30-06. The Springfield rifle maintained its original designation as the 1903 Springfield. The .30-06 remained the principle military cartridge of the US for 50 years
After the change to the .30 Ball 150 grain bullet, all military 1903 Springfield rifles were recalled, the barrels cut back by one thread turn and were re-chambered for the modified cartridge. Barrel length of the final rifle configuration was 24”. Velocity of the 150 grain .30 Ball was 2700fps, recorded at 78ft (le Boulenge Chronograph) True muzzle velocity would have been 2780fps."
the above is a small history for the millitary rifle, yours is a hunting rifle
it really is your call Tassie, Steyr need to come back with what is a reasonable expectation for the twist rate on your 30-06 rifle
so what range of projectile weights do they expect the rifle to shoot
good luck with it anyway
TassieTiger wrote:So customer service manager has finally got my steyr rifle to their gun smith for testing with some interesting results. This is what the gun smith wrote back to Winchester:
“The Rifle has been fitted with a Meopta scope , bore solvent used to remove fouling and test fired.
100 m using Super X 180 g , 2.5 “ group x 3 shots .
100 m group using Super X 150 g , under 1 “ 3 shots
It’s shooting very well with the 150 g ,
Unfortunately I can’t change how it shoots with heavier pills.”
So the question now is - is the rifle meeting advertised claims?
My argument is that the “general” base projectile weight for the 06 is the 180gn projectile (I have a 260 that groups 140’s 1/2 Moa) so clearly didn’t purchase to shoot 150’s...so if it’s shooting 2.5inxh groups via 3 shots with 180’s - with a lead sled via accredited gun smith - then its a long way away from meeting advertised claims.
Thoughts or advice??
Update - customer service manager has advised he is putting in advice to Steyr direct that rifle is under performing - he said they are usually very fast and good RE any issues. So we shall play the wait game again...