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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by bigfellascott » 11 Feb 2019, 3:15 am

I'd very much doubt any mag would publish a story on it mate, they like the $$$ more than the truth (after all that's how they survive (advertising) and I can't see any of them wanting to say anything bad about their advertisers.
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Post by TassieTiger » 11 Feb 2019, 11:27 am

True. Unfortunately...
I’d love for them to put into print re steyrs response so prospective purchasers know what they are in for.
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Post by bigfellascott » 11 Feb 2019, 12:00 pm

TassieTiger wrote:True. Unfortunately...
I’d love for them to put into print re steyrs response so prospective purchasers know what they are in for.


Thy mighty $$$ and bottom line always comes first before the truth sadly. Anyway you have alerted people to the potential Customer Relations issues - If it were me I'd be asking for my $$$ back and go a different brand, hopefully you get better results going that way. :thumbsup:
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by bigrich » 11 Feb 2019, 3:48 pm

well i know one thing fellas , after hearing about taz's situation i won't be buying a steyr anytime soon . i was at "gun world" gun shop a while ago and the sales guys were pushing steyrs, if it happened again i would definately say no thanks and relate this story....... :unknown:

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PS i know a fella who has a 308 steyr that's a tack driver, but if their not going to give good customer support , they can K.M.A !
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 11 Feb 2019, 3:51 pm

SO - major update.

Winchester has now offered to replace the rifle...
They haven’t made any other stipulations other than they believe this is over and above...
This is positive and a step forward but...

The problem is - if they replace like for like, it’s a lucky dip and I could find myself in the same situation.

So I’ve given them 3 options to now consider;
A fully tested and guaranteed replacement with proof of testing (180gn projectiles).
A full refund inclusive of ancillaries.
A credit with a further discount to a proven and guaranteed steyr platform - ie discounted upgrade.

Will now await again their response - I’m still fully prepared to formalise a complaint...but I think Winchester have a good chance to restore some faith here...

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Post by bladeracer » 11 Feb 2019, 4:21 pm

TassieTiger wrote:SO - major update.

Winchester has now offered to replace the rifle...
They haven’t made any other stipulations other than they believe this is over and above...
This is positive and a step forward but...

The problem is - if they replace like for like, it’s a lucky dip and I could find myself in the same situation.

So I’ve given them 3 options to now consider;
A fully tested and guaranteed replacement with proof of testing (180gn projectiles).
A full refund inclusive of ancillaries.
A credit with a further discount to a proven and guaranteed steyr platform - ie discounted upgrade.

Will now await again their response - I’m still fully prepared to formalise a complaint...but I think Winchester have a good chance to restore some faith here...

Tas.


Sounds like you given them some very fair options there, two of which keep you as a customer.
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Post by bigrich » 11 Feb 2019, 4:52 pm

TassieTiger wrote:SO - major update.

Winchester has now offered to replace the rifle...
They haven’t made any other stipulations other than they believe this is over and above...
This is positive and a step forward but...

The problem is - if they replace like for like, it’s a lucky dip and I could find myself in the same situation.

So I’ve given them 3 options to now consider;
A fully tested and guaranteed replacement with proof of testing (180gn projectiles).
A full refund inclusive of ancillaries.
A credit with a further discount to a proven and guaranteed steyr platform - ie discounted upgrade.

Will now await again their response - I’m still fully prepared to formalise a complaint...but I think Winchester have a good chance to restore some faith here...

Tas.



geez ,decisions mate ! ya gotta do what's right for you . if it were me i would try for a full refund but try another brand that winchester sell maybe ? browning x-bolt ? winchester xpr ? just a thought mate. i hope it works out for you . just "stick to your guns" :lol: :thumbsup:

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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by Oldbloke » 11 Feb 2019, 4:53 pm

Full refund or insist they guarantee moa with 180g (in writting)

Then buy something they don't import.
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by Stix » 11 Feb 2019, 10:18 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Full refund or insist they guarantee moa with 180g (in writting)

Then buy something they don't import.

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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by Oldbloke » 12 Feb 2019, 5:12 am

What ppl don't realise is if he gets a new replacement they're likely to still make a profit. Just a bit less. They will just sell the dodgy one as "shop soiled".
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 12 Feb 2019, 7:11 am

Stix wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Full refund or insist they guarantee moa with 180g (in writting)

Then buy something they don't import.

:clap:
:thumbsup:
:D

Who you been dealing with there Tas...?


Mr Aaron Edmondson is the Tech sales and Service Officer and predominantly dealing with me - with Mr Brian Mortensen in the background.
I don't know whom their gunsmith is.
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by marksman » 12 Feb 2019, 8:07 am

schwarz gunsmith bannockburn :thumbsup:

a replacement would be good if they can assure you that it will shoot the 180's :drinks:

there are plenty of good story's about the steyr, it's just you have been tested by the salesman :wtf:
how many people have had similar problems with all sorts of brands and just give up and accept that that is the way it is :crazy: :unknown:
if you had listened to the salesman you wouldn't have pushed back Tassie but it's all good now :drinks:
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Post by Bruiser64 » 12 Feb 2019, 8:50 am

My understanding of Australian Consumer law is that if the item sold is not fit for purpose and has a major defect then the vendor must provide you with a replacement or full refund whichever YOU prefer. Here is the link to the ACCC website:

https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consu ... nd#repairs
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by Oldbloke » 12 Feb 2019, 8:58 am

marksman wrote:schwarz gunsmith bannockburn :drinks:


Has been for years
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 12 Feb 2019, 9:00 am

Not exactly true Bruiser.
It depends on the type of item and whether the item is deemed to have a minor, medium or major issue as to what the next step is from there.
PPL I know very close, had a very faulty couch (springs let go) that was covered by ACL and the manufacturer argued that the couch could still be used so it was a minor fault and therefore a repair was warranted over a refund.
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Post by TassieTiger » 12 Feb 2019, 9:24 am

marksman wrote:schwarz gunsmith bannockburn :thumbsup:

a replacement would be good if they can assure you that it will shoot the 180's :drinks:

there are plenty of good story's about the steyr, it's just you have been tested by the salesman :wtf:
how many people have had similar problems with all sorts of brands and just give up and accept that that is the way it is :crazy: :unknown:
if you had listened to the salesman you wouldn't have pushed back Tassie but it's all good now :drinks:


Your a funny man MM lol.
And yes - your again correct - I would have spent additional time and money trying to get the bloomin thing shooting, had you not have given me the little push at the end.

I know a couple of people on here currently have issues with their own rifles / guarantees and were not sure how to proceed so hopefully this has shown them it can be done...at least to a point.
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 12 Feb 2019, 8:25 pm

So, I’m advised today that Winchester are going to try and test some rifles to see if they can get them shooting 180gns accurately - and then swap my rifle for one of those...IF they cannot mange to get the 180’s shooting - they will be refunding purchase price.

Their gun Smith is apparently away / tied up for a week so should know wtf is going on this time next week.

All said and done - cannot ask for much more than this.
It’s a shame it had to get to this stage but it’s also good that we don’t have to involve 3rd parties so I’m pretty happy. I can understand Winchester’s position, they are the importer somewhat let down by steyr...
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by SCJ429 » 12 Feb 2019, 9:10 pm

Do they make Man Lickers in 375 Ruger? That will shoot 180+ grain projectiles no problem at all.
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by Stix » 12 Feb 2019, 9:58 pm

Tassie...
Im sorry to ssy Winchester Aus dont GAF about you or you're rifle!!!...they are just trying to save face becaue you've plastered this over social media... :thumbsup:

Id take money & buy something they dont bring in...you have every right & ill back you...!!(not that that means much... :lol: )

Aaron is a sweet talker & comes accross like he is you mate, but is FOS & he'll say anything to get rid of you...!!...and im more than happy to front him on my claim...!!!!!!

I support your choice & congratulate you for heading them up, but id get money back--period...
Seriously...if they have to "test rifle'S" (plural-meaning multiple guns)... :roll:...who gets the ones that dont shoot...???... :roll:

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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by bigrich » 13 Feb 2019, 4:36 am

Stix wrote:Tassie...
Im sorry to ssy Winchester Aus dont GAF about you or you're rifle!!!...they are just trying to save face becaue you've plastered this over social media... :thumbsup:

Id take money & buy something they dont bring in...you have every right & ill back you...!!(not that that means much... :lol: )

Aaron is a sweet talker & comes accross like he is you mate, but is FOS & he'll say anything to get rid of you...!!...and im more than happy to front him on my claim...!!!!!!

I support your choice & congratulate you for heading them up, but id get money back--period...
Seriously...if they have to "test rifle'S" (plural-meaning multiple guns)... :roll:...who gets the ones that dont shoot...???... :roll:

Just my bit... :drinks:


Are you having problems with a rifle from Winchester Australia as well stix ?
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by Stix » 13 Feb 2019, 5:31 am

bigrich wrote:
Stix wrote:Tassie...
Im sorry to ssy Winchester Aus dont GAF about you or you're rifle!!!...they are just trying to save face becaue you've plastered this over social media... :thumbsup:

Id take money & buy something they dont bring in...you have every right & ill back you...!!(not that that means much... :lol: )

Aaron is a sweet talker & comes accross like he is you mate, but is FOS & he'll say anything to get rid of you...!!...and im more than happy to front him on my claim...!!!!!!

I support your choice & congratulate you for heading them up, but id get money back--period...
Seriously...if they have to "test rifle'S" (plural-meaning multiple guns)... :roll:...who gets the ones that dont shoot...???... :roll:

Just my bit... :drinks:


Are you having problems with a rifle from Winchester Australia as well stix ?


Well issues ive had with 2 of their firearms products that ive had to wear the cost of...!!....so yes...& them not coming to the party despite their promises...!!

I have no problem whst so ever in strongly suggesting people dont buy anything they import... :thumbsup:
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 13 Feb 2019, 5:54 am

I have read the thread maybe I missed it.... but did you ever find out what twist the barrel has. No point even trying if it's not sutiable trust rate like 12... maybe 10 would be fine.
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 13 Feb 2019, 9:36 am

Ziad - it’s a 1:10 or a 1:9...having so much trouble confirming should have told me something.

And Stix - I know Aaron is just wanting to get rid of me but I just want a solution and what I paid for.
Whom else gets the “poor” shooters? I don’t know...I don’t know what else I can do about that. Maybe if enough ppl took them to task rather than just rolling over no one would end up in this situation....
My lawyer did say to me - the issue may not been seen in arbitration as “major” as it does shoot 150’s...so the seller has right to make it right by either replace or repair in front of a refund.
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 13 Feb 2019, 2:47 pm

Thanks mate. Hopefully it works out for you
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 20 Feb 2019, 2:20 pm

So an update.
WincheSter have tested a “number” of steyr rifles and cannot better the groupings with 180gn bullets - that is 2.5” is the best they can achieve.
A refund is being processed.
Guess I need to put in another permit to acquire now and wait that out as well...
But at least it finalises this long standing issue...
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by marksman » 20 Feb 2019, 3:13 pm

it is very disappointing for you Tassie and a hell of a lot of farking about but you are getting a refund
at least the winchester guys have come to the party and you are not stuck with something that wont do what you want it to :drinks:
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by bladeracer » 20 Feb 2019, 3:28 pm

TassieTiger wrote:So an update.
WincheSter have tested a “number” of steyr rifles and cannot better the groupings with 180gn bullets - that is 2.5” is the best they can achieve.
A refund is being processed.
Guess I need to put in another permit to acquire now and wait that out as well...
But at least it finalises this long standing issue...


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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 20 Feb 2019, 3:34 pm

Now - I need to make sure that I do not walk down the same path again!!!
I need a 30-06 walker that will shoot 180's to claimed accuracy...that's not over $2k...a friend is demanding I now buy a stock t3x.
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 20 Feb 2019, 3:55 pm

Howa...I dunno
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Re: STEYR Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by Stix » 20 Feb 2019, 5:38 pm

TassieTiger wrote:So an update.
WincheSter have tested a “number” of steyr rifles and cannot better the groupings with 180gn bullets - that is 2.5” is the best they can achieve.
A refund is being processed.
Guess I need to put in another permit to acquire now and wait that out as well...
But at least it finalises this long standing issue...


Well as marksman says, its been a big root around for you Tassie, which is no good... :thumbsdown:

But on the other hand im glad you are getting a refund...!!! :clap:
My advice, as before, is still to not buy something they import. :D

Glad its worked out this way & them not causing you more grief...!!!
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