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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 14 Dec 2018, 8:46 pm

Yeah - I wish it was sorted. Because that same ammo on the next two trips was off the page...and that’s the issue...consistent grouping is not there...even if you look at pics above with 83.60 hand loads - one group was 21mm - an hour later 2.5 inches with exact same ammo.
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by grandadbushy » 14 Dec 2018, 9:13 pm

Geez that's a lot Tiger something amiss there alright
Not saying this is your problem but I had a sako 25-06 and it done the same one day 1/2'' next day 3'' so glass bedded it same thing only it tightened to 3/8''
but next day 3'' so sent scope back for testing it came back nothing wrong so kept looking nearly sent me mad so decided to send the rifle back took the scope off
and bugga me if something didn't rattle ever so lightly inside the scope so I sent it back paid extra money and bought a Swarovski z3 and bingo original hand loads
were consistent 6mths later sold the 25-06 kept the scope bought a 7mm mag and started again this time it fell into place with the help of some good people
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 14 Dec 2018, 9:41 pm

There are So so many variables when setting up a new rifle and I’ve looked at my mounts/rings, picatinny rail and I’ve now tried two different scopes - I’ve also been questioning myself if I’m expecting too much - as others have said, this is not a target rifle... but my steyr pro varmint is just fantastic to shoot...it gives me so much confidence and was the main reason I bought another steyr over another tikka or another brand...

Part of the issue is, I keep thinking I’ve got it sorted but then...as youve mentioned with your sako, diff day = diff results and it starts making you look pretty silly on a forum - yay, check this group out I’ve shot...Sh@t, look at this crap now...
It still may not be the rifle...as previously mentioned - the current scope is a fixed low power leupold, making it a little difficult to pinpoint precisely the same poi at 110m, I also am aware that the fore end of the stock on these pro hunters is known to flex so if the action heats up and touches the fore end again poi could change...
Although it’s a little frustrating- at the same time it’s a BIG learning opportunity for me, wading through the enourmous knowledge base / answers that have been given thus far.
It’s a good community here, no pretensious bulldust like some other forums who would likely ridicule a person for making a query like this one... I do appreciate everyone’s input, even if it’s judt their own similar story, it’s food for thought that promotes possibles...
Cheers and thanks.
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by grandadbushy » 14 Dec 2018, 9:58 pm

Don't feel silly mate I pretty much think everyone of us have been there at one stage of our gun ownership stage I know I have
It's a fun forum and I myself has learnt heaps on here I hope you get it sorted mate but bit hard for us blokes with no sighting and hands on with the
rifle in concern
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 16 Dec 2018, 3:47 pm

So...went up to range again and this time took a known local shooter - cost me a six pack to get his opinion - bargain lol.
He’s a guy I really don’t know very well but I know he has been shooting for a looong time in clubs and field.
He told me to bring only factory ammunition and he was going to shoot 5 shot groups from a rear bag and bipod rest. Took win 180’s, Core-Lokt 180’s and fusion 150’s.
He asked to go into 70 yards for the first 2x 5 groups - as he, like me thought the scope vs 3 inch decals were a bit of a mismatch. Anyway, he said he sighted the black circle each shot.
Here are his results at 70 yards and then back at 110 yards.
This took us a long time - 3 hours to ensure barrel was cool enough. I’m happy to see his results - pretty much emulated mine with factory ammo...he was not impressed but did say the 150’s would be worth developing and maybe 165’s. But as he pointed out - you don’t buy a 30-06 to shoot 150gn bullets...
Still waiting for winch Aust - has been weekend ...
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by grandadbushy » 16 Dec 2018, 4:14 pm

That's not too bad if you load your own it'll get better just getting what your rifle likes :thumbsup:
One of my rifles shot worse than that it now shoots less than 1/2'' with H/loads :thumbsup:
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by bigfellascott » 16 Dec 2018, 6:28 pm

I wouldn't be worried if it only shoots 150gn projies better than 180gn, you only have fallow down in Tas and they aren't hard to knock over with well placed shots and the roos well they fall over fine to 50gn projectiles so I'm sure a 150gn projectile will see them turned inside out in no time. :D :drinks:
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by marksman » 16 Dec 2018, 6:33 pm

I'm glad you have got someone else to help you test this rifle that has some experience, it shows that it's not you and points more at the rifle
common sense would suggest that any test to check performance of an moa guaranteed rifle would be done with factory ammo
the primo round stuff being better is just shat, the ammo I have been told by warranty gunsmiths that is used for testing is the federal blue box ammo
just because it costs more kanga means squat

the reason that I said that reloads may be a problem for warranty is some make's do not warranty reloads eg... tikka's are apparently not made to reload for and are not covered under warranty if shooting reloads so I have been told :unknown:

can I ask you why 150 grain projectiles are not meant for a 30-06 :wtf: please explain :lol:

there are several reasons a rifle may have vertical but it needs to be looked at by a smith to confirm it
what you have done is shown it's not your ability that is the problem
IMO this rifle should shoot much better than this :allegedly: I hope it works out for you
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by bigfellascott » 16 Dec 2018, 6:41 pm

I see Winchester are shutting down their ammunition manufacturing here in Aus, I don't think it will affect you in any way with your issues.

What deer do you have in Tas to shoot mate? I wouldn't worry if the only ones to shoot are the 150's I'm sure they will roll the deer fine
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by marksman » 16 Dec 2018, 7:18 pm

they drop fine with 150's

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if you can shoot straight :thumbsup:
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by marksman » 16 Dec 2018, 7:24 pm

and so do reds at 300

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I have also dropped many sambar with 150's out of my brno 30-06
nothing wrong with them. its more about shot placement than projectile weight
no man can predict what a rifle will like till he try's it, the rifle will let you know what it like's you cannot force it :drinks: :lol:
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by bigfellascott » 16 Dec 2018, 7:35 pm

Exactly! All these pre conceived ideas of a rifle should or shouldn't like or you have to use this specific projectile/weight etc makes me laugh a bit, as you said Marksman, a particular rifle will like what a particular rifle likes, no good trying to force something that more than likely won't happen, just shoot what it likes and be done with it.
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by bigrich » 16 Dec 2018, 8:03 pm

bigfellascott wrote:Exactly! All these pre conceived ideas of a rifle should or shouldn't like or you have to use this specific projectile/weight etc makes me laugh a bit, as you said Marksman, a particular rifle will like what a particular rifle likes, no good trying to force something that more than likely won't happen, just shoot what it likes and be done with it.


that's what iv'e found with my rifles scot. my A7 308 sako really likes cheap speer 165gn slugs, it hated 150's and did not group well at all and going against all normal beliefs, my 6.5x55 shoots really good groups better with 120 projectiles than the 140's everyone thinks is" the" projectile for this. sometimes you just gotta try stuff for the hell of it. i've never seen any loads listed for reloader 22 with 120's in the 6.5, until i noticed ole nick harvey had it listed in his load book. i already had this powder for 140's , and thought " what the hell,"gave it a go, and now it's my best load. ya just can't guess what a rifles going to like i suppose ;) just out of curiosity tas what primers and powder are you using ? :drinks: :thumbsup:
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by bigrich » 16 Dec 2018, 8:05 pm

i REALLY like that old BRNO of yours MM. . classy old school rifle :thumbsup:
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 16 Dec 2018, 8:21 pm

Thanks again for all replies.

The person that helped today knows I have a 260 tikka that will drop 140’s into the same holes at short distance (100-200m) - and that’s why he said, you haven’t bought an 06 to shoot 150’s...not saying they can’t or won’t.

From my research, the 06 only shines above a 308 in the 180-200gn area, other than that - an 06 is wasting powder to a 308, so that is predominantly where I wanted to focus this 06 on - thinking it would be a fair assumption to expect a $1400 rifle to shoot what I’d consider as a staple - 180 grainers to at least close to manufacturers claims.
I do know shot placement etc is more important and my sister rifle - steyr 223 would take Tassie deer all day long (not the drop bears though!!) but that’s not really the point here.
If you bought a car with a 0-60 time advertised as 4 seconds but it only did it in 9, would you say well - it got there in the end? Some might I guess...

If you look at the 180’s - even at the 70 yard mark, they are 3-4 inch groups ...what’s that about the long distance capability of an 06? Heck - at 210 yards, this rifle, with a typical hunting round could be shooting 10-12 inch groups with 180gn projectiles. Based on the advertised capabilities of this rifle - I’m not sure that is acceptable...
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by bigrich » 16 Dec 2018, 8:41 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Thanks again for all replies.

The person that helped today knows I have a 260 tikka that will drop 140’s into the same holes at short distance (100-200m) - and that’s why he said, you haven’t bought an 06 to shoot 150’s...not saying they can’t or won’t.

From my research, the 06 only shines above a 308 in the 180-200gn area, other than that - an 06 is wasting powder to a 308, so that is predominantly where I wanted to focus this 06 on - thinking it would be a fair assumption to expect a $1400 rifle to shoot what I’d consider as a staple - 180 grainers to at least close to manufacturers claims.
I do know shot placement etc is more important and my sister rifle - steyr 223 would take Tassie deer all day long (not the drop bears though!!) but that’s not really the point here.
If you bought a car with a 0-60 time advertised as 4 seconds but it only did it in 9, would you say well - it got there in the end? Some might I guess...

If you look at the 180’s - even at the 70 yard mark, they are 3-4 inch groups ...what’s that about the long distance capability of an 06? Heck - at 210 yards, this rifle, with a typical hunting round could be shooting 10-12 inch groups with 180gn projectiles. Based on the advertised capabilities of this rifle - I’m not sure that is acceptable...


yup i get ya point of view tas, i've bought a few rifles that didn't perform or live up to expectations. twist rate can have a big influence on what weight projectiles it likes. still 30-06 will shoot those 150's with more speed and thump than your 260. theorectically it should hit out much harder and further :thumbsup:
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by TassieTiger » 16 Dec 2018, 8:58 pm

Yeah - it should hit harder than 260 (although that thing is pretty speak :-)) and tbh if the manufacturers tell me to go jump then I’ll develop it to suit - might get a smith to look at it perhaps...But if I don’t ask I won’t know and heck, I think it fair that people understand what their expectations “should be” - so if steyr say, it is what it is - I’ll be letting ppl know that / my experience and that may or may not help the next person who comes along...
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Re: Confused with lack of accuracy 30-06

Post by marksman » 17 Dec 2018, 7:07 am

bigrich wrote:i REALLY like that old BRNO of yours MM. . classy old school rifle :thumbsup:


I like it too bigrich, it's the one I grab without thought

tassie I recon you are on the right track to get it sorted
here's an article about the 150gr vs 180gr bullets http://www.americanrifleman.org/article ... 0-06-sprg/
the 180's have a place but IMO are better suited to the 300wm

because you can get 3000fps out of the 150's in a 30-06 and a bit more with the 180's in a 300wm
I like 3000fps :drinks: nice and flat
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