Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for begginer

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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by SCJ429 » 12 Jan 2019, 4:44 pm

Harrynsw wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:I would say a Tikka Varmint in 223 with a 1:8 twist barrel but you already have a 223. Can you use it for what you want to do?

If you want to try reloading the 223 is great, just pick up scrap brass off the floor at the range, grab some Lee RGB dies, they are only about $30, and practice sizing. Get some Vmax for hunting and perhaps a 69 grain SMK for target work.


Hmmmm


If you want to shoot at the range, absolutely no other factory rifle and caliber will beat you, it would all come down to your ability to reload and shoot the Tikka. You need to start reloading regardless.

Of course it is not ideal for deer.
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by bigrich » 12 Jan 2019, 9:21 pm

Harrynsw wrote:
bigrich wrote:One of the 6.5’s would be a good choice harry. They can throw a heavy enough projectiles for most things in oz, recoil isn’t too bad and their accurate. 243 maybe ?


I was thinking 6.5...does that meet dpi requirements for deer?


i could be mistaken , but in vic it's 270 , in nsw 243 is the minimum . i'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong. i suppose it depends on what species your hunting harry. my 6.5x55 is my all rounder . 308 is a good caliber , but i find my 6.5 is the rifle i like to shoot and hunt with over my 308 sako .

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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by JimTom » 12 Jan 2019, 9:29 pm

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pomemax wrote:Na do it properly 458 Lott or 458 WM best choice for a beginner shoot what ever you like never have to clean up and once your shoulder is healed you can then go Buy a .223 or .22 hornet till you learn to shoot .


only reason a beginner would ever purchase a 458 win mag would be so they could have it reamed into a 458lott.
100% on the money, cheap too shoot, low recoil, practical and should be decent on anything up too large foxes/ feral dogs.
500grain solids over 80grains of ar2208 work well enough for rabbit hunting or even just abit of plinking


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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by bladeracer » 12 Jan 2019, 9:37 pm

bigrich wrote:i could be mistaken , but in vic it's 270 , in nsw 243 is the minimum . i'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong. i suppose it depends on what species your hunting harry. my 6.5x55 is my all rounder . 308 is a good caliber , but i find my 6.5 is the rifle i like to shoot and hunt with over my 308 sako .

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.243 is minimum here in Vic for the smaller species, .270 for the big three.
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Stix » 13 Jan 2019, 12:07 am

Harrynsw wrote:
Stix wrote:You dont like giving anything away do you Harry...? :unknown:

Assuming you want to hunt deer now...? :huh:


Sorry I'm being vague because I myself are not entirely sure which direction I'm going. Toying with idea of reloading.


Harry, im just getting at the fact youve not really answered questions alomg the lines of what you call a large calibre & what youre using it for... :unknown:
So far youve barely mentioned you already have a 223, deer may be on the menu & now you're toying with reloading...

Dood, what do want to do with the rifle along with maybe shoot deer...?... ... ...Cull mice down on the plains... :unknown: ...knock down incoming enemy fighters under the cover of the mallee... :unknown:
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Harrynsw » 13 Jan 2019, 7:20 am

Col wrote:FWIW
243 is a damn good all round calibre and heaps of reloading options. Especially if it your first centrefire. Brilliant hunting calibre except for deer (rules and regs). I personally dont know about target shooting with a 243 but I have been hunting with one for 40 years and cant complain. Been reloading 243 for over 20 years,

Col


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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Harrynsw » 13 Jan 2019, 7:23 am

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Harrynsw wrote:Hi folks looking for info/opinions on an ideal calibre and rifle(if that has any bearing) for a beginner to start reloading, and what sort of money am I looking at to begin.
Just throwing the idea around in my head...
Thanks


The obvious answer is .223Rem.
You can buy bullets for under 15c apiece.
Once-fired brass for under 15c apiece.
Powder charges are small. AR2206H and AR2208 are both excellent choices that also work well in many other cartridges.
It's generally very easy to get it shooting very well, even your worst loads will still be pretty accurate.
Get a rifle with an 8"-twist barrel and you can experiment with bullets from 35gn to over 80gn, all with excellent accuracy.

A Lee Breechlock Challenge Kit is a great start. Get the kit with the hand primer.
You'll also need a set of dies (Lee Collect Neck Dies are great).
A case trimmer (Lee Quick Trim Die).
A vernier to measure case and cartridge lengths.

I also recommend getting some Trailboss powder and having a play with reduced loads for additional versatility and fun.



Good info thanks bladeracer
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Harrynsw » 13 Jan 2019, 7:27 am

Peter988 wrote:
Harrynsw wrote:
Stix wrote:Hi Harry...
Have a read of this thread...
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11115
(Incase the link doesnt work ts called "Help me to choose best rifle in .223"...its on the front page of active topics.) & others like it...

Would be helpful to know what you're shooting--targets/rabbits/grizzly bears/dragons/jet fighter planes...?

...but im curious to know what do you call "larger calibre"...? (As youve asked for in the title).
Is that because you are familiar shooting rimfire...? Or you want to start with a big'n cos you can...?

But from your question so far id say Howa or Tikka in 223


Iv been following this thread...

Just bought a Sauer 100 xt in 223



How do you like the Sauer? Thinking of getting one myself.


Sweet looking rifle, only 1:10 twist. Have only tried a couple different loads but got some good accuracy out of some 60 grain tap
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by bigfellascott » 13 Jan 2019, 8:08 am

pomemax wrote:Na do it properly 458 Lott or 458 WM best choice for a beginner shoot what ever you like never have to clean up and once your shoulder is healed you can then go Buy a .223 or .22 hornet till you learn to shoot .


The 458wm is a pussy to shoot I reckon, I've used my mates and his 375HH and it was fine too, I don't see the big deal in people carrying on about the recoil from em, not like ya sitting down at the range for a session with em (well maybe to sight em in) but not the best cal for a range harlet that's for sure :lol:
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by bigrich » 13 Jan 2019, 8:30 am

JimTom wrote:
cracker wrote:
pomemax wrote:Na do it properly 458 Lott or 458 WM best choice for a beginner shoot what ever you like never have to clean up and once your shoulder is healed you can then go Buy a .223 or .22 hornet till you learn to shoot .


only reason a beginner would ever purchase a 458 win mag would be so they could have it reamed into a 458lott.
100% on the money, cheap too shoot, low recoil, practical and should be decent on anything up too large foxes/ feral dogs.
500grain solids over 80grains of ar2208 work well enough for rabbit hunting or even just abit of plinking


:lol: :lol: :lol:


you guys need to man up and get a real gun . i got a loan from my uncle ( herman the german ) a WW2 surplus 20 mm german flak gun . it comes on it's own handy trailer and has a 20 round magazine and fires 450 rounds per minute. it shoots a 1834 grain explosive anti aircraft projectile (perfect for roo culls , no clean-up required ) or for large pigs with thick shoulder sheilds , uncle herman recomends the 2282 gn anti tank round and has a range of five kilometres . it's amazing what you can find at old military auctions .

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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Gaznazdiak » 13 Jan 2019, 8:56 am

bigrich wrote:
JimTom wrote:
cracker wrote:
pomemax wrote:Na do it properly 458 Lott or 458 WM best choice for a beginner shoot what ever you like never have to clean up and once your shoulder is healed you can then go Buy a .223 or .22 hornet till you learn to shoot .


only reason a beginner would ever purchase a 458 win mag would be so they could have it reamed into a 458lott.
100% on the money, cheap too shoot, low recoil, practical and should be decent on anything up too large foxes/ feral dogs.
500grain solids over 80grains of ar2208 work well enough for rabbit hunting or even just abit of plinking


:lol: :lol: :lol:


you guys need to man up and get a real gun . i got a loan from my uncle ( herman the german ) a WW2 surplus 20 mm german flak gun . it comes on it's own handy trailer and has a 20 round magazine and fires 450 rounds per minute. it shoots a 1834 grain explosive anti aircraft projectile (perfect for roo culls , no clean-up required ) or for large pigs with thick shoulder sheilds , uncle herman recomends the 2282 gn anti tank round and has a range of five kilometres . it's amazing what you can find at old military auctions .

:drinks: :drinks: :thumbsup:


I've always wanted an original .55 Boys Rifle.

No particular reason other than the "FVCK YEAH" factor every time I pulled the trigger.

Ammo might be a bit hard to find in the original so maybe I'll have to settle for the later .50BMG version. :unknown:
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by pomemax » 13 Jan 2019, 1:59 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
bigrich wrote:
JimTom wrote:
cracker wrote:
pomemax wrote:Na do it properly 458 Lott or 458 WM best choice for a beginner shoot what ever you like never have to clean up and once your shoulder is healed you can then go Buy a .223 or .22 hornet till you learn to shoot .


only reason a beginner would ever purchase a 458 win mag would be so they could have it reamed into a 458lott.
100% on the money, cheap too shoot, low recoil, practical and should be decent on anything up too large foxes/ feral dogs.
500grain solids over 80grains of ar2208 work well enough for rabbit hunting or even just abit of plinking


:lol: :lol: :lol:


you guys need to man up and get a real gun . i got a loan from my uncle ( herman the german ) a WW2 surplus 20 mm german flak gun . it comes on it's own handy trailer and has a 20 round magazine and fires 450 rounds per minute. it shoots a 1834 grain explosive anti aircraft projectile (perfect for roo culls , no clean-up required ) or for large pigs with thick shoulder sheilds , uncle herman recomends the 2282 gn anti tank round and has a range of five kilometres . it's amazing what you can find at old military auctions .

:drinks: :drinks: :thumbsup:


I've always wanted an original .55 Boys Rifle.

No particular reason other than the "FVCK YEAH" factor every time I pulled the trigger.

Ammo might be a bit hard to find in the original so maybe I'll have to settle for the later .50BMG version. :unknown:

OR a punt gun now there is a real kicker
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Gaznazdiak » 13 Jan 2019, 2:16 pm

Punt gun, yeah.
First time I saw one (not in the flesh unfortunately) I thought it was a piss take, looked it up and there you go.
Saw a vid of some French guy in, of course, a punt, let off one that was about 8 foot long.
It kicked the punt out of him and set the boat off backkwards down the lake.
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by bigrich » 13 Jan 2019, 2:35 pm

about six months ago there was a WW1 german gewher (mauser 98) large action anti tank rifle for sale on ozguns . it had been set up for 50 BMG . scope kissing eyebrow might be a problem ...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by bigfellascott » 13 Jan 2019, 3:35 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
bigrich wrote:
JimTom wrote:
cracker wrote:
pomemax wrote:Na do it properly 458 Lott or 458 WM best choice for a beginner shoot what ever you like never have to clean up and once your shoulder is healed you can then go Buy a .223 or .22 hornet till you learn to shoot .


only reason a beginner would ever purchase a 458 win mag would be so they could have it reamed into a 458lott.
100% on the money, cheap too shoot, low recoil, practical and should be decent on anything up too large foxes/ feral dogs.
500grain solids over 80grains of ar2208 work well enough for rabbit hunting or even just abit of plinking


:lol: :lol: :lol:


you guys need to man up and get a real gun . i got a loan from my uncle ( herman the german ) a WW2 surplus 20 mm german flak gun . it comes on it's own handy trailer and has a 20 round magazine and fires 450 rounds per minute. it shoots a 1834 grain explosive anti aircraft projectile (perfect for roo culls , no clean-up required ) or for large pigs with thick shoulder sheilds , uncle herman recomends the 2282 gn anti tank round and has a range of five kilometres . it's amazing what you can find at old military auctions .

:drinks: :drinks: :thumbsup:


I've always wanted an original .55 Boys Rifle.

No particular reason other than the "FVCK YEAH" factor every time I pulled the trigger.

Ammo might be a bit hard to find in the original so maybe I'll have to settle for the later .50BMG version. :unknown:


50cals are pussies to shoot too, no bad recoil but the muzzle blast is something to behold :lol: Not unusual to get nose bleeds from shooting it (mate had that problem with his from memory) fun to shoot but competely useless to 99% of us really, good for long long range shooting if that's ya thing. :drinks:
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Gaznazdiak » 13 Jan 2019, 3:43 pm

Check this bad boy, the Lahti 20mm anti tank rifle
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahti_L-39

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/the-20mm ... ute-beast/
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by cracker » 13 Jan 2019, 9:33 pm

bigrich wrote:about six months ago there was a WW1 german gewher (mauser 98) large action anti tank rifle for sale on ozguns . it had been set up for 50 BMG . scope kissing eyebrow might be a problem ...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

:drinks: :drinks: :thumbsup:

yeah that thing was super interesting...tankgewehr theres not many in the country and they are f***ing massive, really cool piece.
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by cracker » 13 Jan 2019, 9:35 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
pomemax wrote:Na do it properly 458 Lott or 458 WM best choice for a beginner shoot what ever you like never have to clean up and once your shoulder is healed you can then go Buy a .223 or .22 hornet till you learn to shoot .


The 458wm is a pussy to shoot I reckon, I've used my mates and his 375HH and it was fine too, I don't see the big deal in people carrying on about the recoil from em, not like ya sitting down at the range for a session with em (well maybe to sight em in) but not the best cal for a range harlet that's for sure :lol:


458winmag belts the s**t out of me, so does 458lott even more so fair bit of horse power, 375h&h is a pussy cat i love it, my favorite for sure hands down.
keen for a 500 jeffery or .505 gibbs in my next safari gun... but s**ts expensive !
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