218 Bee with a fast twist

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218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by andym79 » 21 Jan 2019, 6:07 pm

Hi, here I go again with another odd question, does anyone have a fast twist 218 bee (1:7.7) and if so do you shot heavies (70-77gr) and if so with good results?

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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by Bill » 21 Jan 2019, 6:33 pm

Now that sure is an odd question andym79, I run a Ruger 223 VT barrel on my custom Martini 218 bee and Im pretty sure the twist is 1:12 and it works a treat for 40gr at 3300fps.

whats the rifle and your thinking of using heavy bullets ? I reckon you'd struggle to get decent velocity with a 70-77gr bullet personally.
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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by andym79 » 21 Jan 2019, 6:39 pm

At this stage I am just shooting the breeze, but I read years back about someone shooting a bee with heavies, but can't remember the details.

55 gr is probably the sensible max for a bee!
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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by SCJ429 » 21 Jan 2019, 7:09 pm

You sure have set yourself a challenge there. Over what range do you intend to launch these projectiles?
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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by andym79 » 21 Jan 2019, 8:19 pm

As I said for the moment this is a hypothetical, the bee would top out at 2200fps, if zeroed at 200 yards it would be -16" at 300 that's a big rainbow!


If you are looking for flat shooting it pretty much a swift affair, even that will lose 7", even the Weatherby rocket will lose 6" between 200-300 yards!
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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by bladeracer » 21 Jan 2019, 10:18 pm

andym79 wrote:Hi, here I go again with another odd question, does anyone have a fast twist 218 bee (1:7.7) and if so do you shot heavies (70-77gr) and if so with good results?

Thanks

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The .223 loses about 500fps going from 50gn to 80gn bullets. The .218Bee is already 800fps short of the .223 with 50gn bullets so you might struggle to launch them much faster than 2000fps, although extra inches of bore, slower powders, and moly-coated bullets might help a little, although all probably defeat the reasons for choosing the Bee.

It does seem a little backward to consider chambering a 7.7"-twist barrel to .218Bee when you could simply chamber it to .223Rem, and just load it down to Bee levels if that's what floats your boat. You get all the enjoyment of shooting the little "Bee", but still have the option to launch 80gn bullets at decent velocities when the urge hits you.
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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by straightshooter » 22 Jan 2019, 6:04 am

No, I don't have one but I have been seriously considering a cadet with a 1 in 9 or 1 in 8 barrel.
I have an action and have gone so far as to, opportunistically, stock up on brass and dies and I have a huge stockpile of ADI 62 grainers which I have been only slowly whittling away at in other calibers.
In my opinion a 218 bee is perfectly proportioned to a cadet action that can be made into a nice compact lightweight walk around rifle.
You work within it's limitations keeping in mind it's intended use.
My intended use is for quick offhand shooting at ranges up to 200 meters.
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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by marksman » 22 Jan 2019, 12:31 pm

Bill wrote:Now that sure is an odd question andym79, I run a Ruger 223 VT barrel on my custom Martini 218 bee and Im pretty sure the twist is 1:12 and it works a treat for 40gr at 3300fps.

whats the rifle and your thinking of using heavy bullets ? I reckon you'd struggle to get decent velocity with a 70-77gr bullet personally.


any photo's :unknown:
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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by Bill » 22 Jan 2019, 2:40 pm

I ll have to dig around, havent used the gun in about 5 years lol
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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by SCJ429 » 22 Jan 2019, 8:01 pm

You are not really playing to the Bees strengths when you try shoving heavy pills down a fast twist barrel. A light flat based projectile would do the job out to moderate distances. You are trying to tow a large caravan with a Toyota Echo, it will do it but not very well.
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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by RoginaJack » 23 Jan 2019, 11:29 am

Bill wrote:Now that sure is an odd question andym79, I run a Ruger 223 VT barrel on my custom Martini 218 bee and I'm pretty sure the twist is 1:12 and it works a treat for 40gr at 3300fps.


Just curious, but what powder and charge are you using to get 3,300fps with 40gr out of a 218 Bee? My loads are getting compressed at around 15gr. for around 2,860fps.
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Re: 218 Bee with a fast twist

Post by Bill » 23 Jan 2019, 10:27 pm

Using Lil gun, I bought 4 bottles a few years ago down at melb, shared 3 with mates, last bottle is mostly full. Barrels only 18inches too. When extraction started to stiffen I backed the load off a smidge....
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