Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by in2anity » 28 Feb 2019, 5:43 pm

TassieTiger wrote:It does sound like a lot of fun.
A .22 at 200m? = akin to dropping tiny artillery onto target lol

lol you certainly do need a lot of elevation :drinks:
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 02 Mar 2019, 7:48 pm

Well I've got to say my 1st go at fly was a bloody heap of fun. They had had a good bit of rain in mackay so we had to go back to 300 instead of 500m as a gully prevents them from getting to 500 when its wet. Made for a bloody enjoyable morning though. Was blowing its ass off so thats the 1st time I've shot targets in wind so I enjoyed learning and the challenge. This was the best of my 3 targets
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by duncan61 » 03 Mar 2019, 12:04 am

did you make some Matchkings or went with the Gamekings
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 03 Mar 2019, 6:35 am

duncan61 wrote:did you make some Matchkings or went with the Gamekings


Went with the gamekings, 300m was great as I could see the holes through my scope
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by SCJ429 » 03 Mar 2019, 8:32 am

Well done, it is hard work when the wind is moving around. The Federal Cup is in Canberra next weekend if you want another go. Best to get a load developed with SMK, they are a very forgiving bullet.
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 03 Mar 2019, 10:16 am

SCJ429 wrote:Well done, it is hard work when the wind is moving around. The Federal Cup is in Canberra next weekend if you want another go. Best to get a load developed with SMK, they are a very forgiving bullet.


We actaully slipped into town afterwards and bought some hornady 168 hpbt match as they were alot nicer to the wallet then the sierras. So will have a play with them next
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by duncan61 » 03 Mar 2019, 1:28 pm

I am going to spend the afternoon prepping 7mm cases and loading 168 for the range
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by duncan61 » 03 Mar 2019, 6:38 pm

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The topic is about bullets so check this left to right the 168 Berger VLD Grandadbushy sent me 100 sierra game king and 168 Matchking.the ogive on the VLD is considerably longer than the Matchking.will test them soon
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 03 Mar 2019, 9:08 pm

duncan61 wrote:
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The topic is about bullets so check this left to right the 168 Berger VLD Grandadbushy sent me 100 sierra game king and 168 Matchking.the ogive on the VLD is considerably longer than the Matchking.will test them soon


The shape of the vld looks kind of odd when you compare it to the other 2
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by Apollo » 14 Mar 2019, 2:47 pm

Give some Berger VLD Target a go. When you get them on song at 500m Fly you might get something that looks like this and win a "Screamer Patch".. :thumbsup:
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by SCJ429 » 14 Mar 2019, 6:36 pm

No screamer patches awarded last weekend, difficult conditions for everyone.
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by in2anity » 14 Mar 2019, 6:46 pm

Apollo wrote:Give some Berger VLD Target a go. When you get them on song at 500m Fly you might get something that looks like this and win a "Screamer Patch".. :thumbsup:

I don’t care what the circumstances, that’s some bloody good shooting, I’m impressed
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by TassieTiger » 14 Mar 2019, 7:18 pm

in2anity wrote:
Apollo wrote:Give some Berger VLD Target a go. When you get them on song at 500m Fly you might get something that looks like this and win a "Screamer Patch".. :thumbsup:

I don’t care what the circumstances, that’s some bloody good shooting, I’m impressed


That groups at 500m ? And you get a freakin screamer patch? I’d want a 12 gun salute and a queens hand shake !!! Impressive!
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by SCJ429 » 15 Mar 2019, 7:00 am

You get much more than a patch Tassie. You also get a polite round of applause from your fellow shooters. A sub 1.250 inch group is very difficult and almost impossible when the boil stops you seeing the fall of shot. The change from the splash plate to the target always gets me.
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by Ziad » 15 Mar 2019, 7:06 am

Mighty fine shooting the apollo
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by TassieTiger » 15 Mar 2019, 2:34 pm

SCJ429 wrote:You get much more than a patch Tassie. You also get a polite round of applause from your fellow shooters. A sub 1.250 inch group is very difficult and almost impossible when the boil stops you seeing the fall of shot. The change from the splash plate to the target always gets me.


1.250 inch at 500m - that’s somewhere between 1/4 and 1/5 Moa? I doubt many if any, could shoot that at 50m, let alone at 100m let alone at 200m but 500? That’s as you’ve said - a little bewildering if I’m honest. Farken impressive.
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by Apollo » 15 Mar 2019, 5:40 pm

TassieTiger wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:You get much more than a patch Tassie. You also get a polite round of applause from your fellow shooters. A sub 1.250 inch group is very difficult and almost impossible when the boil stops you seeing the fall of shot. The change from the splash plate to the target always gets me.


1.250 inch at 500m - that’s somewhere between 1/4 and 1/5 Moa? I doubt many if any, could shoot that at 50m, let alone at 100m let alone at 200m but 500? That’s as you’ve said - a little bewildering if I’m honest. Farken impressive.


Well, not only is this a test to see if my Login worked, seems it did . But also to fill in a bit more information. Yes, I was rather proud of the results since that was achieved a few years ago, before the Screamer Patch days, and it was my first ever competition shoot at a National Grade Match.

It was the 2nd Detail of the day just before lunch and the Mirage was very much in force so I couldn't actually see the Red Fly but I could see a dark patch (bullet holes) where I thought the Fly was located so I stayed on that line of sight and all I could see was that the dark patch was getting bigger at each shot. I was watching wind flags around me and tried to shoot under the same condition which was basically rapid fire for a single shot action.

The 5 shot group size was officially measured at 1.182" which was just outside the range record best. The target scored 58.01 points and was the best for the day out of 50 odd competitors in either Light or Heavy Gun... I shoot Light Gun.

At the time I had to wind the magnification of the 8-80x March X back to about 50x magnification otherwise the whole target was just a blur in the mirage.

The rifle in question is a Stolle Grizzly II with a 1.5oz Jewell Trigger and overall weight just under the maximum 17lbs allowed for Light Gun.

Shooting the warmer target first up early in the morning I had the scope would up to almost 80x and I had no trouble see each shot land BUT then for the first detail things went downhill with the breeze and mirage coming up.

So, that's my story but not the topic. Using an expensive high magnification scope in my view has it's advantages when conditions are better than good but is still an advantage when they go downhill but I was still able to use a bit more magnification than others. The chap that shot the detail before me with a Nightforce 12-42x had to wind his back to less than 35x due to mirage.

I have only ever shot F-Class once and I'll say it was a dammed sight easier scoring than shooting the Fly. It's easy to see a bloody big Black X Ring than it is to see a Red Fly on an Orange Target at 500 Metres...

Bullet wise as far as I have information from years gone past the Berger Target was about the tops, Copperhead Bullets are there as well and what I'm testing at present to tune but I can't achieve the 1/4 MOA or better I used to get with the old version Berger VLD's. I have shot Sierra Matchkings but they are way out of the target league accuracy in my view, they aren't consistent enough bullet to bullet to win target competitions.

I test my loads/bullets at home and I pick the best ideal conditions to test so I have an advantage over a lot of people. For me and a couple of mates that I have done load development for and they still come and test/fine tune at my 200 Metre Target we are not happy if all 5 shots for the test touch each other in a clover leaf group. Sure it doesn't happen all the time but that is a standard I set for shooting competition. Going on that standard both my Mate and his Son have both won 1st Place at a 500 Metre Fly Shoot.

So back to the Topic Title.... Personally, I would not be using Sierra Bullets if I was seriously wanting to do well at BenchRest Target Shooting. They may be okay for F-Class where in my view you have a lot greater margin for error... Not knocking F-Class shooters, we all have a sport we love.
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Re: Difference between gamekings and matchkings for targets?

Post by SCJ429 » 15 Mar 2019, 6:11 pm

TassieTiger wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:You get much more than a patch Tassie. You also get a polite round of applause from your fellow shooters. A sub 1.250 inch group is very difficult and almost impossible when the boil stops you seeing the fall of shot. The change from the splash plate to the target always gets me.


1.250 inch at 500m - that’s somewhere between 1/4 and 1/5 Moa? I doubt many if any, could shoot that at 50m, let alone at 100m let alone at 200m but 500? That’s as you’ve said - a little bewildering if I’m honest. Farken impressive.


1.250 inches at 500 metres is 0.2183 MOA.
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