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Post by Baitlayer » 10 Mar 2019, 6:48 pm

Just picked up my Tikka 6.5 CM and will be getting into reloading for it.Am wondering what are the storage requirements for reloading components such as powder,primers, projectiles, cases etc in SA?
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Post by No1_49er » 10 Mar 2019, 8:24 pm

Baitlayer wrote:Just picked up my Tikka 6.5 CM and will be getting into reloading for it.Am wondering what are the storage requirements for reloading components such as powder,primers, projectiles, cases etc in SA?

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Post by Baitlayer » 10 Mar 2019, 8:55 pm

Thanks for the unnecessary sarcasm 49er. I was obviously mistaken in my view that this was a forum where those with already acquired knowledge of a subject make it available to those seeking it.This in order that they do not have to spend hours trolling the self same internet. If this is your idea of helpfulness then ,Thanks but No thanks, why even bother to type a response.Not a grumpy old phart. Just a rude and unhelpful one!
ps. have checked SAPOL site for SA specific info and was unable to find anything about it.But thanks for attempt to belittle my efforts. As i said,rude but unhelpful.
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Post by Roo farmer » 10 Mar 2019, 9:14 pm

Baitlayer wrote:Thanks for the unnecessary sarcasm 49er. I was obviously mistaken in my view that this was a forum where those with already acquired knowledge of a subject make it available to those seeking it.This in order that they do not have to spend hours trolling the self same internet. If this is your idea of helpfulness then ,Thanks but No thanks, why even bother to type a response.Not a grumpy old phart. Just a rude and unhelpful one!
ps. have checked SAPOL site for SA specific info and was unable to find anything about it.But thanks for attempt to belittle my efforts. As i said,rude but unhelpful.


I doubt you will find much on the internet, probably just grey areas using words like 'should' and phrases like 'take reasonable precautions'

As far as I know, lock up your primers and powder, and any loaded rounds. Empty shells are just brass and loose projectiles are just lead.

Lock up anything that you have to show your licence card for at the place of purchase.
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Post by Bilko » 10 Mar 2019, 9:16 pm

Baitlayer, this is a topic I am about to undertake. I am only just starting the research. You need to be aware that some of the requirements will not be in your States weapons legislation. In Queensland it is in the Explosives Act, and associated Regulations. Once upon a time it used to be in the Mining Act. So you will have to chase down the equivalent legislation in S.A.

All part of the research fun.
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Post by axio » 10 Mar 2019, 9:23 pm

Out of interest i googled SA laws and came across this diagram which doesnt answer your question at all but... now my head hurts
https://www.police.sa.gov.au/__data/ass ... ide-A3.pdf

In anycase if its anything like NSW just treat them as ammunition and lock away accordingly?
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 10 Mar 2019, 9:26 pm

Baitlayer wrote:Thanks for the unnecessary sarcasm 49er. I was obviously mistaken in my view that this was a forum where those with already acquired knowledge of a subject make it available to those seeking it.This in order that they do not have to spend hours trolling the self same internet. If this is your idea of helpfulness then ,Thanks but No thanks, why even bother to type a response.Not a grumpy old phart. Just a rude and unhelpful one!
ps. have checked SAPOL site for SA specific info and was unable to find anything about it.But thanks for attempt to belittle my efforts. As i said,rude but unhelpful.


Don't judge us all by one selfish sour apple, Baitlayer, unlike this character, most of us enjoy helping others learn.
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Post by Download » 10 Mar 2019, 9:56 pm

In SA you'll need to check the Explosive Act for powder and primers. Unfortunately this is muddled by this line (section 8):

Nothing in this Act shall be deemed to prohibit the filling, carrying, conveying, or storing of any safety cartridges for private use only, and not for sale, in such quantities as may be prescribed by regulation.


So, does this mean that as long as you're reloading for your own use you can disregard the explosives act? Who knows?

That said, you can keep up to 3kg of explosives without a license. More than that and you have three different types of licence by weight and two more by type of magazine.
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Post by Baitlayer » 10 Mar 2019, 10:08 pm

Thanks Gaz.read a recent post on farm aid.understand your sentiment.And yes,always found previous post ters to be helpful where possible and humorous where not.
Yeah bilko,just dipped my toe in SA Explosives Act.Now need a large rum and some panadol. Will be seeing my local constabulary this week to register my new toys so might ask them the same question and see what they have to say.On a lighter note, been watching mobs of goats wander through my sons property almost daily for weeks.Since bringing home the Tikka,they have all been noticable by their absence.Hope they return soon.Love a nice young kid on a spit.
Roo Farmer ,unless i can find different,I 'll just go with your suggestion.Any way,that rum is calling.Thanks fellas.
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Post by Baitlayer » 10 Mar 2019, 10:28 pm

Thanks Download.My main concern was type of storage eg; lockable ,wood or steel,fireproof, location etc.Explosives Act was way to much legal speak for this time of night and now the rum is not helping my comprehension.Anyway I will post if I find anything definitive.
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Post by pomemax » 10 Mar 2019, 10:33 pm

Hi Baitlayer
I Just lock all primmer,s away in ammo cans and powder in a wooden box that has a few air holes in it . Reasoning the powder in wooden box with a few air hole I don,t want it in a sealed metal box ( that,s called a bomb ). Brass is just brass and projectiles is lead powders only keep what i need for a few weeks at home maybe 3kg at most .
I may load up to 5-7 cals a month depends
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Post by duncan61 » 11 Mar 2019, 1:07 am

From what I have learned recently its all a bit fuzzy If you have more than 10 kg of powder stored in one area under the explosives act they require it to be labelled Explosives so that in case of fire Emergency services are aware its there.If you can afford to buy more than 10 kg good on you I still have half a 4 kg tub of 2208 I bought for $220 10 years ago and I did pro roo shooting and loaded my .222 and .243 with it..I recently had a storage inspection and pointed out my cases in the polisher and asked do they need to be locked up and the response was.Are you kidding and this is W.A.Same with projectiles.The main thing of concern was the safe for firearms and I had to lock up all loaded ammo in a separate safe I bought from Bunnings.All my reloading stuff is in a Padlocked garden shed in a Padlocked large 5mm steel box about 1000x500x500 and they were happy with that.In Plumbing we have a National code but states still differ in regulations and you have to read all 3 publications to get close to the answer just like firearm regs and laws
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Post by 1Fatman » 11 Mar 2019, 1:47 pm

If you have more than 10 kg of powder stored in one area under the explosives act they require it to be labelled Explosives so that in case of fire Emergency services are aware its there.

In WA the storage of gunpowder falls under the Mines Department.
It requires you to store ALL powder (regardless of quantity) in a wooden box made from 19mm timber, painted in a light colour so you can see any spilt powder, and with the required stickers on the box. The box is not to be bolted down so that in the case of an emergency it can be removed. It also needs to be lockable.

For a more in-depth answer and the stickers required here is a link to the DMP site.

http://www.dmp.wa.gov.au/Black-powder-p ... 18581.aspx
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Post by Bilko » 11 Mar 2019, 7:00 pm

Baitlayer wrote:Thanks Gaz.read a recent post on farm aid.understand your sentiment.And yes,always found previous post ters to be helpful where possible and humorous where not.
Yeah bilko,just dipped my toe in SA Explosives Act.Now need a large rum and some panadol. Will be seeing my local constabulary this week to register my new toys so might ask them the same question and see what they have to say.On a lighter note, been watching mobs of goats wander through my sons property almost daily for weeks.Since bringing home the Tikka,they have all been noticable by their absence.Hope they return soon.Love a nice young kid on a spit.
Roo Farmer ,unless i can find different,I 'll just go with your suggestion.Any way,that rum is calling.Thanks fellas.


Hope that is a good Bundaberg Rum (if you are mixing) or a great Beenleigh Rum (if on the rocks), :drinks: Either way a Queensland drop.
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Post by Baitlayer » 11 Mar 2019, 7:55 pm

G'day Bilko, as a born and bred maroon, my current tipple is Bundy to mix and Bundy Small Vat or Masters blend for sipping.
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Post by brett1868 » 11 Mar 2019, 8:48 pm

I take the approach that if I need to show a license to buy it then it needs to be properly secured at home. Store your powder in its original containers in a cool dry place in a locked wooden box. Store primers separate from powder and also in a cool dry place, preferably timber box but can be metal. The reason for timber is that in the even of ignition the timber will splinter and splinters typically have a lower velocity compare to steel shrapnel from a metal box.
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Post by bigfellascott » 11 Mar 2019, 8:54 pm

brett1868 wrote:I take the approach that if I need to show a license to buy it then it needs to be properly secured at home. Store your powder in its original containers in a cool dry place in a locked wooden box. Store primers separate from powder and also in a cool dry place, preferably timber box but can be metal. The reason for timber is that in the even of ignition the timber will splinter and splinters typically have a lower velocity compare to steel shrapnel from a metal box.


Why the storing primers and powders separate Brett?
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Post by bigfellascott » 11 Mar 2019, 8:57 pm

brett1868 wrote:I take the approach that if I need to show a license to buy it then it needs to be properly secured at home. Store your powder in its original containers in a cool dry place in a locked wooden box. Store primers separate from powder and also in a cool dry place, preferably timber box but can be metal. The reason for timber is that in the even of ignition the timber will splinter and splinters typically have a lower velocity compare to steel shrapnel from a metal box.


Do you reckon the powder would explode Brett or just burn out quickly - we need myth busters to do an experiment on it to see if it would :D I've got my doubts to be honest.
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Post by brett1868 » 11 Mar 2019, 9:23 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
brett1868 wrote:I take the approach that if I need to show a license to buy it then it needs to be properly secured at home. Store your powder in its original containers in a cool dry place in a locked wooden box. Store primers separate from powder and also in a cool dry place, preferably timber box but can be metal. The reason for timber is that in the even of ignition the timber will splinter and splinters typically have a lower velocity compare to steel shrapnel from a metal box.


Do you reckon the powder would explode Brett or just burn out quickly - we need myth busters to do an experiment on it to see if it would :D I've got my doubts to be honest.


I got it from the regs that powder needs to be in a timber box, I've seen personally what happens when powder ignites when stored in an old fridge. My cousin spent a month in hospital, shattered 18 out of 20 sheets of fibro the shed was made from and put the chair he was sitting on through the door and it was only a couple of kg. Keeping them separate makes sense as one is impact sensitive and the other not so much. I have a fairly large magazine, with at times >250k primers and 50kg of propellent. They are in a large timber cabinet on shelves with the powder at the bottom and primers at the top but kept separate from each other. Even the uncle who had the local explosives magazine at Maules Creek in the 80's stored the gelignite in timber boxes. Black powder needs to be kept at least 15m from smokeless from memory, might actually be more and this is the reason not many shops sell black powder as they don't have the real estate to keep them physically separate. I keep a few kgs in my office wardrobe appropriately locked up and clearly labelled. I'll see if I can find the regs and paste a link as it's a good read if you need help getting to sleep :)
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Post by duncan61 » 11 Mar 2019, 9:25 pm

So under 15Kg is exempt.Makes sense
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Post by bigfellascott » 11 Mar 2019, 9:45 pm

brett1868 wrote:
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brett1868 wrote:I take the approach that if I need to show a license to buy it then it needs to be properly secured at home. Store your powder in its original containers in a cool dry place in a locked wooden box. Store primers separate from powder and also in a cool dry place, preferably timber box but can be metal. The reason for timber is that in the even of ignition the timber will splinter and splinters typically have a lower velocity compare to steel shrapnel from a metal box.


Do you reckon the powder would explode Brett or just burn out quickly - we need myth busters to do an experiment on it to see if it would :D I've got my doubts to be honest.


I got it from the regs that powder needs to be in a timber box, I've seen personally what happens when powder ignites when stored in an old fridge. My cousin spent a month in hospital, shattered 18 out of 20 sheets of fibro the shed was made from and put the chair he was sitting on through the door and it was only a couple of kg. Keeping them separate makes sense as one is impact sensitive and the other not so much. I have a fairly large magazine, with at times >250k primers and 50kg of propellent. They are in a large timber cabinet on shelves with the powder at the bottom and primers at the top but kept separate from each other. Even the uncle who had the local explosives magazine at Maules Creek in the 80's stored the gelignite in timber boxes. Black powder needs to be kept at least 15m from smokeless from memory, might actually be more and this is the reason not many shops sell black powder as they don't have the real estate to keep them physically separate. I keep a few kgs in my office wardrobe appropriately locked up and clearly labelled. I'll see if I can find the regs and paste a link as it's a good read if you need help getting to sleep :)


I would imagine your cousin would have had the fridge locked up tight which would have been the reason it did what it did (basically a big cartridge case by doing that) :D if he had some decent holes in it no doubt it would have been a lot safer as pressure couldn't build up. I remember myth busters doing a test of ammo and none of it was dangerous even though it was sitting in a fire all that happened was the projectiles would travel a very short distance with very little velocity and impact on the walls that were placed around it was almost negligent turns out you'd be flat out getting a bruise from it :lol:

They even shot the ammo and none exploded or showed any signs of fire etc\

Black powder well that definitely goes up with a bang but the celulose based smokeless just tends to flame up quickly and it's over so to speak.
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Post by Bruiser64 » 12 Mar 2019, 12:23 am

1Fatman wrote:If you have more than 10 kg of powder stored in one area under the explosives act they require it to be labelled Explosives so that in case of fire Emergency services are aware its there.

In WA the storage of gunpowder falls under the Mines Department.
It requires you to store ALL powder (regardless of quantity) in a wooden box made from 19mm timber, painted in a light colour so you can see any spilt powder, and with the required stickers on the box. The box is not to be bolted down so that in the case of an emergency it can be removed. It also needs to be lockable.

For a more in-depth answer and the stickers required here is a link to the DMP site.

http://www.dmp.wa.gov.au/Black-powder-p ... 18581.aspx


It can be a metal container, but it needs to be wood lined. The WAPOL publication mentions a “non-ferrous” lockable, portable container. I tried buying the correct stickers from Blackwoods, but they told me they don’t list them as part of their stock. Luckily my local gun store has the correct sticker format as a printable file they printed on adhesive paper.
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Post by 1Fatman » 12 Mar 2019, 6:24 am

Bruiser64 wrote:I tried buying the correct stickers from Blackwoods, but they told me they don’t list them as part of their stock. Luckily my local gun store has the correct sticker format as a printable file they printed on adhesive paper.


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Post by straightshooter » 12 Mar 2019, 7:37 am

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Baitlayer wrote:Just picked up my Tikka 6.5 CM and will be getting into reloading for it.Am wondering what are the storage requirements for reloading components such as powder,primers, projectiles, cases etc in SA?

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Baitlayer wrote:Thanks for the unnecessary sarcasm 49er. I was obviously mistaken in my view that this was a forum where those with already acquired knowledge of a subject make it available to those seeking it.This in order that they do not have to spend hours trolling the self same internet. If this is your idea of helpfulness then ,Thanks but No thanks, why even bother to type a response.Not a grumpy old phart. Just a rude and unhelpful one!
ps. have checked SAPOL site for SA specific info and was unable to find anything about it.But thanks for attempt to belittle my efforts. As i said,rude but unhelpful.


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Post by bigfellascott » 12 Mar 2019, 8:20 am

straightshooter wrote:
No1_49er wrote:
Baitlayer wrote:Just picked up my Tikka 6.5 CM and will be getting into reloading for it.Am wondering what are the storage requirements for reloading components such as powder,primers, projectiles, cases etc in SA?

God, help us!
You've got as far as posting in this internet forum.
All State and Territory Acts and Regulations are available on the very same internet. Use whatever search engine you prefer, but it is there. Download a copy so that you can examine it at your leisure.
Me. A grumpy old phart - you betcha :D

Baitlayer wrote:Thanks for the unnecessary sarcasm 49er. I was obviously mistaken in my view that this was a forum where those with already acquired knowledge of a subject make it available to those seeking it.This in order that they do not have to spend hours trolling the self same internet. If this is your idea of helpfulness then ,Thanks but No thanks, why even bother to type a response.Not a grumpy old phart. Just a rude and unhelpful one!
ps. have checked SAPOL site for SA specific info and was unable to find anything about it.But thanks for attempt to belittle my efforts. As i said,rude but unhelpful.


I love this little exchange.
It is neat window into today's world.
The original poster, incensed by the commentary implying his personal indolence, lets fly, too dull witted at that moment to grasp the real import of the offending putative sarcasm which is -Think For Yourself.
Sadly a substantial part of the advice freely offered on the internet of a legal nature isn't worth the paper it's written on and other advice is often just mindless repetition of advertising or promotional jibberish.


Pretty much sums it up :D it's a funny ol world this internet thing, brings out the best and worst in people! :drinks:
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 12 Mar 2019, 8:23 am

Straight shooter shot a bullseye.

I am surprised why the OP didn't ask the gunshop when he was picking up the gun.
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Post by Stix » 12 Mar 2019, 8:36 am

Baitlayer wrote:Just picked up my Tikka 6.5 CM and will be getting into reloading for it.Am wondering what are the storage requirements for reloading components such as powder,primers, projectiles, cases etc in SA?


G'day Baitlayer.
Ive always taken the attitude that if it goes bang or burns lock it up.

Bretts similar thought process of locking it away if you need your licence is a good one too...
However its still worth the effort to get the facts--
Before the regs chsnged here, i purchased some air rifle slugs interstate, & i learned that they needed to be locked away back home under the then current regs-- :shock:

The SAPOL site is sadly just like most other government sites, in that it is just full of rubbish & not at all intuitive.
Ive searched it several times & just went in circles & ended up where i started...
Infact, i couldnt even find so much as a link to the regs or act when i searched.

I ended up ringing them & they still wouldnt tell me what i needed to know in relation to stroage requirements of ammo & related items, rather they wanted my address to send me a leaflet... :roll:
(I assume you can imagine what they were up to :roll: )
So getting on here as a way of education is a good thing... :thumbsup:

The SSAA site might be helpful... :unknown:

Or ring SAPOL, they seem way more helpful these days... :thumbsup:
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Post by Baitlayer » 15 Mar 2019, 10:13 am

Thanks for the info fellas.As matter of interest, I did ask my LGS and their reply was much the same as the info posted here. They also stated that they where unsure of the actual legal requirements for home storage as opposed to commercial requirements.As to the comments about indolence and dullwittedness, well,I wont let fly and call them unrelated to the subject.By the way, the Tikka shoots great,capable of much better than the shooter at this point.Also the little Savage M11 22LR shoots like a laser.Great little rifle and both lefties.
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Post by Oldbloke » 15 Mar 2019, 5:55 pm

Ammo is safe untill its in a enclosed metal container.

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