Stix wrote:As title suggests...
New Win brass...is it any good once prepped etc.?
bladeracer wrote:Stix wrote:As title suggests...
New Win brass...is it any good once prepped etc.?
New stuff I can't recommend.
I've bought .243, .30-30 and .30-06 recently and I don't think they're annealing them well at all.
If you're getting it cheap enough to not expect too much you can make them work, but Winchester is at the bottom of the list for me.
gunnnie wrote:I'm running Starling brass for my 38-55. I'm using the 2.125" long brass in a Winchester Model94 and I haven't had any issues to date. Think I'm on reload number 4 or 5 from memory.
Also using StarLine brass for 44-40 & 32-20, also in Winchesters, Model 92's. Aside from the usual issues of 44-40 brass being thin at the neck, it's been good. Though I quantify that the SL 44-40 brass is thicker in the neck than W-W Super brass.
marksman wrote:I've never used new winchester brass but do like the second hand range picked up stuff after it has been prepared
bladeracer wrote:marksman wrote:I've never used new winchester brass but do like the second hand range picked up stuff after it has been prepared
I have a batch of once-fired Winchester .223 and it's not bad at all, it's the new unprimed stuff that is a problem.
straightshooter wrote:Just recently I have had 25 or 26 reloads out of a batch of 120 once fired Winchester cases.
Neck turned, primer pocket uniformed, trimmed to length and annealed.
At about 20 reloads wear or erosion inside the necks left the projectiles somewhat loose with my tightest bushing so I then used a Lee collet die.
At 25 to 26 reloads some cases had a bright ring near the web and one showed a crack and some leakage so they were scrapped.
There was no full length sizing at all for the life of the cases but there was one only trim to length.
How do I know, I kept an accurate round count for that barrel.
Stix wrote:bladeracer wrote:marksman wrote:I've never used new winchester brass but do like the second hand range picked up stuff after it has been prepared
I have a batch of once-fired Winchester .223 and it's not bad at all, it's the new unprimed stuff that is a problem.
So is there an actual difference between the brass from factory loaded ammo, to the unprimed new brass...?
One would naturally assume it all comes from the same place...
flutch wrote:Some people must have some fussy as f*** rifles, my 223 and 270 both shoot just fine with a whole plethora of different factory ammo and brass, honestly for the life of me don't understand what 99% of the drama is about, use what you can buy
flutch wrote:Some people must have some fussy as f*** rifles, my 223 and 270 both shoot just fine with a whole plethora of different factory ammo and brass, honestly for the life of me don't understand what 99% of the drama is about, use what you can buy
TassieTiger wrote:You dont reload then...?
flutch wrote:TassieTiger wrote:You dont reload then...?
All the time, why try and make that misnomer?
My rifles clover leaf all day every day, I don't go to even half the pedantic steps others do, honestly can't see why they bother....
bigrich wrote:flutch wrote:TassieTiger wrote:You dont reload then...?
All the time, why try and make that misnomer?
My rifles clover leaf all day every day, I don't go to even half the pedantic steps others do, honestly can't see why they bother....
Well flutch, that’s great that you’re getting that sort of accuracy and performance out of your rifles without being overly pedantic. Some fellas rifles might not be as good as yours and need the extra work to give their best. Some folks try to attain the best they can just cause they want to. What rifles are you loading for mate ? You mentioned 223 and 270. What loads are you using ? And what brands of brass ?
TassieTiger wrote:Must be high end rifles ?
bigrich wrote:Sounds like some well sorted loads flutch . What type of thrower are you using. Must be a very accurate thrower. I went back to using Lee powder “dippers” cause depending on the type of powder. I didn’t find mine was consistent enough. What anealing process do you use ? Sit the brass in a tray of water and use a gas torch ? I don’t get into weighing my cases or anything like that. I only trim mine halfway between max and minimum case length. I try to leave plenty of neck for neck tension. This helps with 22 hornet. I get some pretty tight groups the way i’m Doing things, but anealing is the next skill I have to work at . I’m loading for 22 hornet, 222, 6.5x55 and 357 mag in a lever at the moment. Pistol rounds are nice and easy . Cheers
flutch wrote:bigrich wrote:Sounds like some well sorted loads flutch . What type of thrower are you using. Must be a very accurate thrower. I went back to using Lee powder “dippers” cause depending on the type of powder. I didn’t find mine was consistent enough. What anealing process do you use ? Sit the brass in a tray of water and use a gas torch ? I don’t get into weighing my cases or anything like that. I only trim mine halfway between max and minimum case length. I try to leave plenty of neck for neck tension. This helps with 22 hornet. I get some pretty tight groups the way i’m Doing things, but anealing is the next skill I have to work at . I’m loading for 22 hornet, 222, 6.5x55 and 357 mag in a lever at the moment. Pistol rounds are nice and easy . Cheers
Hey it's an old lee thrower, must be a Tuesday build as has no signs of mondayitis or Friday fails,
I anneal using the age old heat till it almost burns my finger and throw it in the tray of water technique, seems to work just fine, Bunnings gas torch.
flutch wrote:Some people must have some fussy as f*** rifles, my 223 and 270 both shoot just fine with a whole plethora of different factory ammo and brass, honestly for the life of me don't understand what 99% of the drama is about, use what you can buy
TassieTiger wrote:I bought some 223 Remington brass once that was all a fraction over trim to length size, meaning extra work from the off...
bigrich wrote:Sounds like some well sorted loads flutch . What type of thrower are you using. Must be a very accurate thrower. I went back to using Lee powder “dippers” cause depending on the type of powder. I didn’t find mine was consistent enough. What anealing process do you use ? Sit the brass in a tray of water and use a gas torch ? I don’t get into weighing my cases or anything like that. I only trim mine halfway between max and minimum case length. I try to leave plenty of neck for neck tension. This helps with 22 hornet. I get some pretty tight groups the way i’m Doing things, but anealing is the next skill I have to work at . I’m loading for 22 hornet, 222, 6.5x55 and 357 mag in a lever at the moment. Pistol rounds are nice and easy . Cheers
bladeracer wrote:TassieTiger wrote:I bought some 223 Remington brass once that was all a fraction over trim to length size, meaning extra work from the off...
I greatly prefer it to be over-length, so I can prep the batch all to the same length.