Stix wrote:Anyone use these 20 cal Vmax &/or Zmax bullets regularly...?
32 or 40 grain...
Particularly for hunting...?
If so...anyone have any issues with them...?
Such as unexplained misses or way off POA impacts,... or the occasional hole not appearing in a target...?
Stix wrote:Yes they are good bullets...the 40 Vmax are very accurate in my sporter barrel tikka.
However, im convinced im getting jackets de-laminate from the core--or somethings going on...
Between 32Zmax & 40 Vmax, ive had several misses & miss-hits, & along with the strange sound of the bullet in flight, im convinced its the bullet coming apart...
Stix wrote:Yea good idea Blade...
Time is however my enemy...
If i lived on a farm id be ok...but i dont.
I do have evidence of what you're suggesting any way...
Ill post an example up later...
It is dead animal based evidence however...in these cases where unfortunately the animal is both the target & your suggested large peice of paper.
And im takling big misses--yea that open for jokes, but that aside, hearing odd fluttery & extended bullet flight along with hitting the animal 16"-18" from POA is not a pulled shot.
And yes--it is, as best i can tell, mostly stsrting from the muzzle, so no doubt happening either in the barrel, or immediately on exit as you suggest.
Ill post up an example later when home...
Stix wrote:Cant be sure of twist...never measured it.
Very mild loads...only 3600ish for 32gr'rs
Blr243 wrote:When I saw the WIRE FENCES ARE A PAIN it reminded me of one I hit with a soft point 222 and broke the wire ( it still killed the roo ten metres further on. ) has anyone else ever hit a wire so spot on that it broke rather than deflected ? Then I had to go fix the fence
Stix wrote:Cant be sure of twist...never measured it.
Very mild loads...only 3600ish for 32gr'rs
Stix wrote:Ah yes...this next exsmple of a fox could be a fence...
Ill have to check it out next time im on that farm...but im sure i was well elevated shooting over fence...
However, this fox was laying down, but upright (i mean alert/as in not relaxed--seemed attentive to something other than myself)...
It was facing/orientated to my 8 o'clock...
I was elevated, & the fox was laying on side of hill, just 5m up other side of washout/valley...(im shooting across a valley).
I didnt waste too much time, a comfortable shot over window rest with car off at only 125 yds...Put the X hairs just north of the white to orange fur line, trying to squeeze the bullet into its chest just on front edge of facing shoulder.
Very prominant 'pop' & i was already dreading skinning it out... (it was late & i was on my way to bed when i saw the eyes).
Anyway...to our shock, it got up flipped about... then ran towards me,...then took off up hill into heavy thick mallee...
Looked for 15 mins but no luck...
Found it next day by chance--only 10 metres from initial impact.
You can see the shoulder wound--but that is just superficial only pushing a hole in skin...didnt even reach the scapula...
So the pop was its back leg...& that shock must have killed it...
Shoulder wound once undressed...can see the fur pushed into muscle...i guess this was jacket...although didnt find any fragments...
Inside of shoulder...clean as a whistle...
Back leg...what a mess...
I might not be a benchrest champ...but i didnt "miss" by 18" at only 120 odd yds...
Ive had clean misses out to 200 from very unmissable comfortable shots on heavy bag over bonnet...& had roos hit where they are not meant to be hit...all wounds at similar distance of 18"-24"-ish from POA, however this is the only one ive had thats away windage--all others are low...so maybe this example could be fence--however there were no busted fence wires & as i said im sure i was well above the fence...
Stix wrote:Only a fence between me n fox...fairly decent sloping land though with no trees between us...
Maybe it did clip a wire...
But ive had that result numerous times...& as i said its usually a drastic vertical bullet drop with notable long flight time-- & with nothing between me & target...
For example...ive had 3 shots on a mob at say 150...through the scope the second shot hasnt hit the head & he hopped away,...(so i thought)...wasnt a bad or hard shot... ..that second shot sounds like a 3D/surround sound war movie effect of an incoming fluttery mortar... so i divert my attention to the next one sitting & pop him...
I get out to process the 2 roos, & find 3...2 head shots & one shot high in the chest...
bladeracer wrote:Stix wrote:Only a fence between me n fox...fairly decent sloping land though with no trees between us...
Maybe it did clip a wire...
But ive had that result numerous times...& as i said its usually a drastic vertical bullet drop with notable long flight time-- & with nothing between me & target...
For example...ive had 3 shots on a mob at say 150...through the scope the second shot hasnt hit the head & he hopped away,...(so i thought)...wasnt a bad or hard shot... ..that second shot sounds like a 3D/surround sound war movie effect of an incoming fluttery mortar... so i divert my attention to the next one sitting & pop him...
I get out to process the 2 roos, & find 3...2 head shots & one shot high in the chest...
The sound probably indicates a deformed bullet that's bounced off something.
Stix wrote:bladeracer wrote:Stix wrote:Only a fence between me n fox...fairly decent sloping land though with no trees between us...
Maybe it did clip a wire...
But ive had that result numerous times...& as i said its usually a drastic vertical bullet drop with notable long flight time-- & with nothing between me & target...
For example...ive had 3 shots on a mob at say 150...through the scope the second shot hasnt hit the head & he hopped away,...(so i thought)...wasnt a bad or hard shot... ..that second shot sounds like a 3D/surround sound war movie effect of an incoming fluttery mortar... so i divert my attention to the next one sitting & pop him...
I get out to process the 2 roos, & find 3...2 head shots & one shot high in the chest...
The sound probably indicates a deformed bullet that's bounced off something.
The sound is from muzzle for entire flight...
Nothing in between rifle & target to hit...
marksman wrote:Cooper usually when what you are explaining is happening to the tip of your bullet the tip is hitting inside the seating stem
the fix is to drill the hole out a bit deeper then polish
where you see a problem is in run out, once you fix the die you should be getting better accuracy