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Load development success

Post by Jarhead » 24 Jun 2020, 6:47 pm

Hi All,

I though I would share some good result from Saturday's load development session.

I test the seating depth and found that .015 is a sweet spot...Tightest 4 shot group I have ever made without cheating!

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Next step- get it down to .25MOA.

Hopefully get there this weekend....

Regards!
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Post by Harrynsw » 24 Jun 2020, 7:13 pm

Pretty awesome when the flyer is less than half inch away
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Post by marksman » 24 Jun 2020, 7:22 pm

if you really want to shoot small aim small
put a small dot in the middle of your green dot to aim for
good shooting :drinks:
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Post by Blr243 » 24 Jun 2020, 7:22 pm

Yes seating , but obviously you are shooting really really well too. I have not seen that group b4
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Post by in2anity » 24 Jun 2020, 8:31 pm

Whadya shooting there jarhead?
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Post by Jarhead » 25 Jun 2020, 10:48 pm

Stock Tikka T3 lite chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor at 100M. Am getting an MDT LSS Gen2 XL chassis soon and may get into F Class....
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Post by TassieTiger » 25 Jun 2020, 10:58 pm

Very nice shooting!!!!
I’d caution you on buying MDT if you are already getting results like that...at least do some research. I’ve had a bit of a time with MDT and they have proven today - they remove negative feedback re their products...
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Post by in2anity » 26 Jun 2020, 3:52 pm

Jarhead wrote:Stock Tikka T3 lite chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor at 100M. Am getting an MDT LSS Gen2 XL chassis soon and may get into F Class....

Just remember, for target shooting, consistency is the name of the game. A thin barrel may open up once it's hot...
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Post by Jarhead » 26 Jun 2020, 6:21 pm

Tassie Tiger,

I read through your bent MDT chassis dilemma post with great interest before I ordered mine. I almost didn't order it -but I bounced a few questions off a few friends in the US who each have several MDT setups and they were all surprised looking at yours. I think you just got unlucky and they shipped you a lone bad one.

Plus I ordered a different model- the LSS Gen 2 XL - Southpaws have less choice.

But who knows- I have made many bad decisions before (mostly involving the pursuit of females, spending money or consuming alcohol- sometimes all at once!) and this could be one.

You will know if it is a bad choice because if my Chassis is as wonky as your's I will drag my sorry @$$ back to this forum and 'fess up.

Did the new chassis arrive and everything get sorted in the end?
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Post by Jarhead » 26 Jun 2020, 6:30 pm

In2anity,

I hear you! That thought is always front of mind when I think of competing in F class later this year. Tikka guarantees 1 MOA performance with factory ammo- but only for the 1st 3 shots......

I bought the lite as I wasn't sure where I wanted to go with it.....I joined a great "catch all' club that supports both hunting and target shooting. I decided at the time that If I hunt, I can keep that barrel but If I compete I can get a heavy barrel fitted later. Looks like I am gravitating to target shooting......
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Post by in2anity » 26 Jun 2020, 11:04 pm

Jarhead wrote:In2anity,

I hear you! That thought is always front of mind when I think of competing in F class later this year. Tikka guarantees 1 MOA performance with factory ammo- but only for the 1st 3 shots......

I bought the lite as I wasn't sure where I wanted to go with it.....I joined a great "catch all' club that supports both hunting and target shooting. I decided at the time that If I hunt, I can keep that barrel but If I compete I can get a heavy barrel fitted later. Looks like I am gravitating to target shooting......


I'm a competative person, so beating my own pb is what keeps me addicted to coming back :thumbsup: Heavy barrels make load development easy, and shoot most ammo well - it just makes things overall easier. You'll have lots of variables to think about if you start shooting comp - it's just one less thing to worry about if you know those follow up shots are going to generally keep landing where the thing is pointed. :drinks: Good luck with it all :)
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Post by Hercl » 27 Jun 2020, 9:02 am

Looking good, mate.

Those silver echidnas are in trouble :lol:
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Post by TassieTiger » 27 Jun 2020, 9:09 am

Jarhead wrote:Tassie Tiger,

I read through your bent MDT chassis dilemma post with great interest before I ordered mine. I almost didn't order it -but I bounced a few questions off a few friends in the US who each have several MDT setups and they were all surprised looking at yours. I think you just got unlucky and they shipped you a lone bad one.

Plus I ordered a different model- the LSS Gen 2 XL - Southpaws have less choice.

But who knows- I have made many bad decisions before (mostly involving the pursuit of females, spending money or consuming alcohol- sometimes all at once!) and this could be one.

You will know if it is a bad choice because if my Chassis is as wonky as your's I will drag my sorry @$$ back to this forum and 'fess up.

Did the new chassis arrive and everything get sorted in the end?


No mate - it didn’t.
The new chassis arrived a couple days ago.
The barrel alignment issue is now fixed but there are a few other quality issues...ie - forget the handgrip problem, check out the mating of surfaces between chassis and foreend...looks like it was made by...someone that uses the word precision, a little too often in the vocabulary lol.

I’ve sent that photo to mdt - they were not happy. They are trying again - chassis no 3...they did originally say they’d test for a full system and send that - based on my order, but they reneged on that saying it was cosmetics - predominantly - that’s when I pointed them to this photo...nothing. They even deleted my feedback on their forum. Lol. Hopefully yours is all good. Many I’ve seen are pretty decent, I must have just got unlucky...twice lol.
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Post by marksman » 27 Jun 2020, 11:29 am

that fit is really bad Tassie :thumbsdown:

its not like you bought a cheap chinese copy :unknown:
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Post by TassieTiger » 27 Jun 2020, 11:46 am

They are crap MM.
When they emailed me and said what the fix was for hand guard (Me fixing their poor QC) - they also added in - that they thought this would resolve my issues, so didn’t feel it necessary to still send a replacement, let alone a complete order.
I literally said what ever - don’t care, but fit and fitment of the two components was more of a concern than the hand guard. THEN they acknowledged it...like, maybe I didn’t see it ? So 3rd time lucky with chassis - but, maybe, it’s the foreend...what ever now - over it. I’ll sort it as per your advice. Eventually.

They sent me a copy of what I’d bought to make the entire chassis complete;
$1400 for everything...so as Stix now does with his shotgun brand, anyone who asks will get my experiences...and photos.
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Post by Jarhead » 04 Jul 2020, 4:33 pm

Jarhead wrote:

Next step- get it down to .25MOA.


Woo-Hoo! After a cold 6 degree C morning at Hilltop- Here it is...… .238 MOA!!!!

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I don't know what to say! I love this rifle! Every time I shoot it, I get better and better results!

Herci,

you are right- the silver Echidna is looking justifiably nervous!

I have been plotting all of my results on a surface graph in Excel, and I can see an accuracy node forming. I am finding that this display method is really useful in load development.

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Next step- explore the green area in the graph with more granular loads (i.e. .0125 & .015 seating depth and 39.8, 39.9, 340, 40.1, 40.2 grains)

Lets see if I can get it under .2 MOA...….. :shock:
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Post by in2anity » 04 Jul 2020, 5:54 pm

Now shoot a 10 shot group in 2.5 minutes - see how she fairs :thumbsup:
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Post by marksman » 04 Jul 2020, 6:28 pm

in2anity wrote:Now shoot a 10 shot group in 2.5 minutes - see how she fairs :thumbsup:


thats a fair call :drinks:
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