Alliant 2400 mag loads

Reloading equipment, methods, load data, powder and projectile information.

Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by Tubs » 07 Aug 2020, 7:04 pm

Just picked up a tub of Alliant 2400. Has some crazy powder loads listed.

Is this right - 17.5 gn for a 125 gn projectile? Must kick like a mule.

https://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders ... rtridge=28

Can I reduce the powder?
Tubs
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 306
New South Wales

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by bladeracer » 07 Aug 2020, 7:28 pm

Tubs wrote:Just picked up a tub of Alliant 2400. Has some crazy powder loads listed.

Is this right - 17.5 gn for a 125 gn projectile? Must kick like a mule.

https://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders ... rtridge=28

Can I reduce the powder?


I don't know, but 2400 is similar to AR2205 in burn rate, which would be my choice anyway. ADI list 20gn max of AR2205 in pistol and rifle loads with 125gn jacketed bullets.
Alliant's 17.5gn 2400 load lists 1409fps, ADI's 20gn load of AR2205 is 2122fps in rifle, and 1849fps in pistol, so a 1409fps load doesn't sound very hot.
From Alliant's website, start 10% lower than spec, so 15.75gn.

I've tried 220gn jacketed bullets in .38 Special, and have ordered some 250gn for testing.
Attachments
Alliant Load Development.JPG
Alliant Load Development.JPG (86.14 KiB) Viewed 4447 times
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 12655
Victoria

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by Tubs » 07 Aug 2020, 9:09 pm

Thanks, would the same load be fit for purpose for hunting out of a 357 lever action?
Tubs
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 306
New South Wales

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by bladeracer » 07 Aug 2020, 9:23 pm

Tubs wrote:Thanks, would the same load be fit for purpose for hunting out of a 357 lever action?


I can't see any reason it wouldn't be, but it seems very odd that they don't bother offering any load data for rifle use. You'd see higher velocities from the rifle - ADI claim 270fps more with the same load.

Which bullet are you using? And what are you wanting to take with it? As long as the bullet is above its design velocity when it meets the target it should work fine.
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 12655
Victoria

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by Tubs » 08 Aug 2020, 3:56 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Tubs wrote:Thanks, would the same load be fit for purpose for hunting out of a 357 lever action?


I can't see any reason it wouldn't be, but it seems very odd that they don't bother offering any load data for rifle use. You'd see higher velocities from the rifle - ADI claim 270fps more with the same load.

Which bullet are you using? And what are you wanting to take with it? As long as the bullet is above its design velocity when it meets the target it should work fine.


I have 125 grain hard cast flat nose, 158 gn gold dot jacketed JHP's and ordering some 125gn JHP's now.

Mainly for farming work so needs to be effective against wild pigs and dogs.
Tubs
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 306
New South Wales

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by mickb » 08 Aug 2020, 5:06 pm

Tubs those loads are standard.for 357. As blade says.A 125 grain at 1400fps, and a 158 grain at 1250fps is right on factory velocity if you check ammo boxes from various manufacturers. 2400 is a good allround powder for magnum pistol cartridges.Keep in mind the 357 magnum case has 27 grains capacity( to the case mouth) so there is plenty of room.

From a strong lever action( Rossi 92 or miroku 1892, marlin 1894 etc) those loads will be no problem and you will probably get an increase of anywhere from 450-500fps with the longer barrel.

There are reduced loads in that powder but for whatever reason alliant doesnt list them.

Lymans 50th edition reloading manual lists the following for a 4" barrel revolver.

125 grain Hornady acketed hollowpoint loaded to COAL 1.59"
13 grains 2400 powder, 1159fps.

158 grain XTP jacketed hollowpoint
11.3 grains 2400 powder, 938fps.

Hornady 4th edition( 8" barrel)
158 grain XTP, COAL 1.59"
11.5 grains 2400, 1200fps

keep in mind with the reduced loads you wont get quite the same velocity increase( going to a longer barrel) as they are running at lower pressures.
mickb
Warrant Officer C2
Warrant Officer C2
 
Posts: 1097
Other

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by bladeracer » 08 Aug 2020, 5:43 pm

Tubs wrote:
bladeracer wrote:I have 125 grain hard cast flat nose, 158 gn gold dot jacketed JHP's and ordering some 125gn JHP's now.

Mainly for farming work so needs to be effective against wild pigs and dogs.


Those 20gn jacketed-bullet loads will probably be too hot for the cast bullet, the GD's should perform very well at carbine velocities.
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 12655
Victoria

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by Tubs » 08 Aug 2020, 6:00 pm

Thanks chaps
Tubs
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 306
New South Wales

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by Tubs » 16 Mar 2021, 5:45 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Tubs wrote:
bladeracer wrote:I have 125 grain hard cast flat nose, 158 gn gold dot jacketed JHP's and ordering some 125gn JHP's now.

Mainly for farming work so needs to be effective against wild pigs and dogs.


Those 20gn jacketed-bullet loads will probably be too hot for the cast bullet, the GD's should perform very well at carbine velocities.


Hey mate, just picking this up after a long hiatus. 2 quick questions:

1. Is 2000fps too hot for a hard cast bullet? ie: 18gn of 2205 for a 125gn round flat nose hard cast 357. Whats the implication? Barrel gets leaded/very dirty?
2. What would be a good projectile for some test bunny bullets ie: 38 special, for use in my Remlin 1984... I got my 158 JHP's today but I think they will cause bunny explosivity....

Thanks,
Tubs
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 306
New South Wales

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by bigrich » 03 Jul 2021, 7:33 pm

has anybody bin using this in marlin 1894 44 mag rifle ? i've been running 21.5gn of 2400 with 240 xtp hornady's for good 50 yard accuracy . i'm trying sierra 240 jhc's now and am going to creep up to that 21.5 powder load . the old "keith" load is 22gn with a 240 projectile .

the listed load data for 2400 is confusing, hornady list 21.5 gn of 2400 as a max load , old "uncle nick" lists 19gn as max . and he's known for his hot load data

any info/opinions guys :unknown:
Last edited by bigrich on 03 Jul 2021, 8:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
bigrich
Brigadier
Brigadier
 
Posts: 4483
Queensland

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by Tubs » 03 Jul 2021, 7:45 pm

44 or 357?
Tubs
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 306
New South Wales

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Jul 2021, 7:48 pm

bigrich wrote:has anybody bin using this in marlin 1894 rifle ? i've been running 21.5gn of 2400 with 240 xtp hornady's for good 50 yard accuracy . i'm trying sierra 240 jhc's now and am going to creep up to that 21.5 powder load . the old "keith" load is 22gn with a 240 projectile .

the listed load data for 2400 is confusing, hornady list 21.5 gn of 2400 as a max load , old "uncle nick" lists 19gn as max . and he's known for his hot load data

any info/opinions guys :unknown:


My advice is sell it to me for $50 and by a 177 slug gun. :D
No need to stuff around with reloading then. :lol:
The greatest invention in the history of man is beer.
https://youtu.be/2v3QrUvYj-Y
Member. SFFP, Shooters Union.
SSAA, the powerful gun lobby. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hunt safe.
User avatar
Oldbloke
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 11192
Victoria

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by bigrich » 03 Jul 2021, 8:03 pm

Tubs wrote:44 or 357?


44 :roll: silly me :lol:
User avatar
bigrich
Brigadier
Brigadier
 
Posts: 4483
Queensland

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by bigrich » 03 Jul 2021, 8:06 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
bigrich wrote:has anybody bin using this in marlin 1894 rifle ? i've been running 21.5gn of 2400 with 240 xtp hornady's for good 50 yard accuracy . i'm trying sierra 240 jhc's now and am going to creep up to that 21.5 powder load . the old "keith" load is 22gn with a 240 projectile .

the listed load data for 2400 is confusing, hornady list 21.5 gn of 2400 as a max load , old "uncle nick" lists 19gn as max . and he's known for his hot load data

any info/opinions guys :unknown:


My advice is sell it to me for $50 and by a 177 slug gun. :D
No need to stuff around with reloading then. :lol:


when you said slug gun i thought you meant muzzle loader ........ :sarcasm:
User avatar
bigrich
Brigadier
Brigadier
 
Posts: 4483
Queensland

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Jul 2021, 11:21 pm

:) Daisy rifle.
The greatest invention in the history of man is beer.
https://youtu.be/2v3QrUvYj-Y
Member. SFFP, Shooters Union.
SSAA, the powerful gun lobby. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hunt safe.
User avatar
Oldbloke
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 11192
Victoria

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by bigrich » 04 Jul 2021, 5:50 am

Oldbloke wrote::) Daisy rifle.



oh good grief OB ! :roll:

don't you know the 44mag is the most powerful handgun in the whole world , so a 44 mag rifle must be sooooo good :P

with regards the daisy rifle i'm working UP to that mate ....... :lol: :drinks: :thumbsup:

seriously, any body got any loads to share with 2400 or 2205 out of a marlin 44 rifle :unknown:

:thumbsup:
User avatar
bigrich
Brigadier
Brigadier
 
Posts: 4483
Queensland

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by straightshooter » 04 Jul 2021, 8:49 am

I am still using Hercules branded 2400 in my Marlin 44 mag's which haven't seen much use over quite a few years.
Load is 24 grains of 2400 with Sierra 180 grain JSP with a good crimp. Primer is whatever magnum large pistol is available although at times I have used Federal LR without problems.
I found that bullet weight was the best compromise for the kind of shooting I used the 44 mag.
Leave the heavier bullets for the 444.
I recall I tried Blue Dot for a while but went back to 2400.
I expect the current Alliant 2400 will be unchanged in performance characteristics.
"Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about."
"There is no expedient to which a man will not resort to avoid the real labor of thinking." Sir Joshua Reynolds
straightshooter
Warrant Officer C1
Warrant Officer C1
 
Posts: 1263
New South Wales

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by bigrich » 04 Jul 2021, 12:33 pm

straightshooter wrote:I am still using Hercules branded 2400 in my Marlin 44 mag's which haven't seen much use over quite a few years.
Load is 24 grains of 2400 with Sierra 180 grain JSP with a good crimp. Primer is whatever magnum large pistol is available although at times I have used Federal LR without problems.
I found that bullet weight was the best compromise for the kind of shooting I used the 44 mag.
Leave the heavier bullets for the 444.
I recall I tried Blue Dot for a while but went back to 2400.
I expect the current Alliant 2400 will be unchanged in performance characteristics.


i loaded sierra 240 jhc with 20, 20.5 , 21 and 21.5 with 2400 . poor grouping . 21.5 gave me 1 1/2" groups with hornady 240 xtp's . but with the shape of the sierra projectiles, they feed sooo smooth :D
i'll try ar2205 with the 240 sierras and see how i go . maybe as you suggest lighter projectiles might work better . 210 sierra jhc's and hornady 200xtp's

:thumbsup:
User avatar
bigrich
Brigadier
Brigadier
 
Posts: 4483
Queensland

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by Oldbloke » 04 Jul 2021, 2:29 pm

"don't you know the 44mag is the most powerful handgun in the whole world , so a 44 mag rifle must be sooooo good"

https://youtu.be/UdKUxDuovzs

Will load the Dirty Harry DVD now I think. Got the set. :D
The greatest invention in the history of man is beer.
https://youtu.be/2v3QrUvYj-Y
Member. SFFP, Shooters Union.
SSAA, the powerful gun lobby. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hunt safe.
User avatar
Oldbloke
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 11192
Victoria

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by bigrich » 04 Jul 2021, 2:46 pm

thanks for the link OB . i have all those movies by Mr Eastwood and a whole lot more . now lets see , where eagles dare ,pale rider , two mules for sister sarah . what will i watch ? :D kelly's heroes, maybe :lol:

one of my favorite actors , and in more recent years producer and director . and he got to bang sondra locke

i know , any which way but loose :lol:
User avatar
bigrich
Brigadier
Brigadier
 
Posts: 4483
Queensland

Re: Alliant 2400 mag loads

Post by Oldbloke » 04 Jul 2021, 5:01 pm

Just watched 1 Dirty Harry. About to crack a beer and watch 2 Magnum Force.

"Hot Mary" had nice tits. LOL

My Oldman had boxes of them and I got them all. :) He would want that.
The greatest invention in the history of man is beer.
https://youtu.be/2v3QrUvYj-Y
Member. SFFP, Shooters Union.
SSAA, the powerful gun lobby. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hunt safe.
User avatar
Oldbloke
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 11192
Victoria


Back to top
 
Return to Reloading ammunition