Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by bigrich » 09 Feb 2021, 7:06 pm

Ziege wrote:quite simple bugman, if everyone stopped being lemmings and voted for minority parties, the chain of career politics in the major parties would be broken, not to mention actual debate would take place, for instance it is literally a major component of being in the labor party that they can not ever oppose the party line, this isnt remotely democratic. a series of minority governments would send the message that change is needed, and that peoples rights and needs are more important than party politics and their internal hierarchal nonsense. Politicians in this country act like theyre rulers not servants of the people/demographic, politicians that follow the party line instead of the wants of their constituency are betraying those they lied to at election time. f*** the lot of them, as for me I am an increasingly single issue voter, therefore I vote SFFP and LibDems, also helps that I have family and friends running as candidates both fed and state for those parties.

Also have the unique insight into the Libs/Coalition as my mum used to be a Nationals State Senate back bencher.

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i've been voting for the minors for years . one nation , SFFP , katter . i don't agree with everything they do or say , it's more about shaking up the majors .

my pet hate is people who whinge and whine about it all., but don't vote to try to change it :thumbsdown: i've encouraged a lot of people i know to get off their ar$e and get involved , you'd be suprised at some of the cop out reasons i've heard why they don't vote :roll:
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by Ziege » 09 Feb 2021, 7:24 pm

Mate I get ya BigRich, I am that bloke scavenging votes off of moron bogans primed to donkey vote at the polls, Ive spoken to tonnes of blokes and lasses and had them throw their vote to lib dems and SFFP lol, the stoners are an easy sell too, just tell them that LibDems are gonna legalise their weed if they get elected. lol

I have even taken a pack of smokes with me, some silly prick comes up scabbing for a smoke, I tell him/her that if they vote SFFP I will give them 3 smokes lol...

I'm sure there is some rule against it, but meh, I am not directly affiliated with any of them, and I am not employed by any party to encourage votes so its just me puttin my opinion out there
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by Tiger650 » 09 Feb 2021, 11:39 pm

All good Ziege [if a little cynical LOL].

At least you are paying for the smokes as opposed to having the taxpayer foot the bill.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by deye243 » 10 Feb 2021, 2:22 am

Ziege wrote:

Give ya a hint bud, internal revenue is just that, a house full of people passing a $100 note back n forth isn't actually helping that homes economy... It sure gives the impression to those inside, but it really does nothing, just as is evident by the GST stats, the states of QLD, VIC, SA, TAS and the two Territories NT and ACT all showing a large deficit of tax revenue and essentially all backed by NSW and WA (WA by a factor of like 5 over NSW), this is called insolvency in business, the government sells out the future to save its skin now. The stimulus spending in both GFC and now in Covid measures is not helping the future of anyone's kids, its doing the opposite.

see the only thing that actually helps the economy is raw income, this doesn't come from recycling the same $10 bucks between joe blo and joe bloggs this comes from bringing wealth in from outside the system within. Victorians often believe they have a big economy because of their retails sector and so on, but consumerism rarely brings in anything in regards to the GDP.

So whilst many short sightedly champion the spending by government (very socialist of them) those looking ahead lament the endless debt they have plunged us into without so much as a referendum. Now you might argue they're elected to make that decision, but in essence they leave politics at the end of their little stay and receive CEO level pensions whilst the rest of us continue to fund them and all their mistakes, lies and corruption. They feel no effect of their recklessness at all, meanwhile my great grandchildren will be paying for their choices long after the very short period in time where they made people feel warm and fuzzy about it.

Very well said .
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by wanneroo » 10 Feb 2021, 2:54 am

Oldbloke wrote:OK, just found it. US buyers seem to pay $12.95 Hazmat fee as part of the delivery cost.

I think, powder, primers & ammo

Screenshot_20210209-161113_DuckDuckGo.jpg


That's Grafs, other vendors vary but typical hazmat fee is $30. Keep in mind this is only for shipping online and is only for powder and primers, not ammo. You don't pay any fees directly buying in person.

John says we pay less here but I am sure there are bureaucratic and shipping costs that may vary by country. Typically we pay at retail $22-$30 US$ a pound for powder. Brands like Vihtavouri run higher at about $35-$40 US$ a pound.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by Oldbloke » 10 Feb 2021, 4:34 am

Ziege
It would seem then that the US, UK, OZ, and our state Governments (all of whom now have huge debts) have no idea how to run the countries finances.

I vote ziege for Treasurer.

First things first. Let's claw that debt back. I know, no more tax deductions for business or individuals. If they can't make a profit without assistance let them go under.
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Post by Oldbloke » 10 Feb 2021, 4:41 am

wanneroo wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:OK, just found it. US buyers seem to pay $12.95 Hazmat fee as part of the delivery cost.

I think, powder, primers & ammo

Screenshot_20210209-161113_DuckDuckGo.jpg


That's Grafs, other vendors vary but typical hazmat fee is $30. Keep in mind this is only for shipping online and is only for powder and primers, not ammo. You don't pay any fees directly buying in person.

John says we pay less here but I am sure there are bureaucratic and shipping costs that may vary by country. Typically we pay at retail $22-$30 US$ a pound for powder. Brands like Vihtavouri run higher at about $35-$40 US$ a pound.


Yeh we can't order on line. And the Dangerous Goods transport fees are included as part of the cost.

So $60 Us would be typical for 1lb delivered. $30 over the counter.
Not certain but I think at the moment about $60Au for 500g here.

So to consumer its cheaper in US over the counter.

1 lb = 453.6g
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by Ziege » 10 Feb 2021, 10:00 am

Oldbloke wrote:Ziege
It would seem then that the US, UK, OZ, and our state Governments (all of whom now have huge debts) have no idea how to run the countries finances.

I vote ziege for Treasurer.

First things first. Let's claw that debt back. I know, no more tax deductions for business or individuals. If they can't make a profit without assistance let them go under.



have fun passing ya single $10 note around in a circle jerk kidding yourselves that between ten of you somehow made $100......

there really shouldn't be tax cuts, Aside from agriculture and mining, what are Australians even doing to earn money??? no retail is adding anything, hospitality isn't either, and even the local construction sector does diddly squat. our tourism income is offset more so by the amount of Australians spending money on tourism elsewhere. the only way to increase the wealth of the Australian people, and therefore make things more value for dollar is to increase export, but we only export s**t from under the ground or growing/grazing the ground, Australian cities are massive sink holes in our very fiscal existence. Unless you are manufacturing something that gets exported, you are doing Zilch for the economy.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by on_one_wheel » 11 Feb 2021, 12:39 pm

Our economy is debt based, it relies on interest paid on borrowed money, money that's created out of thin air. It also relies on population growth.
Without population growth and debt the fiat system doesn't work.
Government spending repayments are paid by a larger population in the future. Its a vicious cycle that drives the government to push for population growth. Well be stuck in that cycle until something forces a chance.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by Bill » 11 Feb 2021, 1:10 pm

With Winchester getting out of the gun powder game, I recently stocked up on Lever evolution and CFE 223. $31 lb was just too cheap to pass up :drinks:
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by boingk » 11 Feb 2021, 2:26 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:Our economy is debt based. Government spending repayments are paid by a larger population in the future. Its a vicious cycle that drives the government to push for population growth. We'll be stuck in that cycle until something forces a change.
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Let it. Personally I reckon it'd be pretty interesting having everything go to absolute hell. Take the lot. Hell, I'll gouge out someone's eye with a teaspoon and feast on the remains if thats what it takes. Plus the usual knowledge/aggression/finesse balance thrown into the mix.

The real problem is that most people, in the words of good old Morpheus, are hopelessly dependant on the system. They need it to give them a yardstick, a definable cash value for their efforts to tell them that they're doing 'well'. They can't grow food, make shelter or defend themselves against any threat (imagined, real, verbal or otherwise) but keep on slaving away hoping for more. Because that's all there is in a system like this for people who don't have the insight (or will) to see it.

Let the good times roll, gents. Here's to the misery of others. *clink*

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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by wrenchman » 11 Feb 2021, 2:35 pm

on a hi note i picked up some red army 7.63x39 last week and seen some ammoin the stores today 223 and 9mm was there
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Post by Southpaw » 17 Feb 2021, 9:15 pm

boingk wrote:Hell, I'll gouge out someone's eye with a teaspoon and feast on the remains if thats what it takes.


That’s gold :o :lol:
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by Oldbloke » 19 Feb 2021, 3:13 pm

Soo, I had the opportunity to chat with an old colleague today and asked the question regarding ADI powder shortage.
Likely reason is an incident about 1 year ago.

The line involved will likely be out of action for some time yet.

Edited as info was wrong.
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Post by Larry » 19 Feb 2021, 3:46 pm

Mate that was 7 years ago. I think that it would all be cleaned up and restored since then. We have certainly not had shortages since 2014 due to this. I am still able to get most things here in Aus the US seems to have a big problem according to posts on US forums. They have lots of other problems as well though many interconnected and self inflicted. A bit like our great toilet paper shortage of 2020
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by rc42 » 19 Feb 2021, 4:11 pm

It is odd that ADI powder is mostly out of stock all over Australia, with the extra demand in the US is is most likely that their stocks have gone there, hart to say when they will be available here again but it clearly shows which customers are most important to ADI. (the ones that pay the most if anyone's not sure).

Ammo supplies coming from the US are getting harder to find, especially CCI, more and more products are just gone with no ETA for their return.

In the US itself the problem could go on for years, the hoarding mentality has fully set in now, people will buy up all the ammo that they see for sale at 'normal' prices, until they have a lifetime supply or more if they can afford it. The Democrat's policies will only make this worse but their proposed banning of online ammo sales will certainly be a well deserved slap down for all the price gouging web sites.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by Oldbloke » 19 Feb 2021, 4:30 pm

OK. My poor checking. Had one about 1 year ago.

Removed media links. Wrong year.
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Post by wanneroo » 20 Feb 2021, 1:00 am

The powder isn't over here. Distributors are not getting in great quantities or any at all of powder. I know one of the wholesalers in my state is pretty much out of everything and isn't getting anything in right now. I think like primers, powder is being diverted to factory ammo production.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by wrenchman » 20 Feb 2021, 2:11 pm

I found small pistol primers small rifle and some 9mm I am sitting good i just need some of this crap weather to go
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