bladeracer wrote:rc42 wrote:Heard today that a few guys at the pistol club are buying up 12GA shotshell in large quantities and then spending time cutting them open to extract the powder.
12GA will contain just over 20gn of fast powder and budget shells are about $95 for a slab of 250.
For calculation example, each three slabs (750 shotshell) will yield just over 15,000gn or 1Kg of fast powder for $285.
More than retail pricing but way cheaper than some current online pricing from gougers.
As a rough calculation, that's about 2c per grain of powder so if the 9mm load is around 4 grains that's 8c per round. Add in 10c per primer (if you bought some recently) and 15c per pill, that's 33c per round so still cheaper than the cheapest factory 9mm which is around 40c per round for PPU from Cleavers (more elsewhere)
I suggested this idea a couple years ago, possibly even in this thread
rc42 wrote:I heard today that a shipment of some 2 million CCI small pistol primers is due through Nioa in the coming weeks, half are allocated to Cleavers and every one has already been bought on back order.
I suspect that this will be the case for all imported pistol powder and primers for the next few years, I've also heard dire predictions, from people with contacts in the industry, of five years before dealer shelves are re-stocked.
Baitlayer wrote:Evening all. Have been giving much thought of late about getting into reloading. (22-250; 6.5 CM;223 ).My concern is that, given the reported difficulty of accessing components discussed above, is this a bad time to be to be considering this or do the benefits still outweigh the problems? I have no equipment at present so will be starting completely from scratch. Mainly shooting paper at the moment.
Baitlayer wrote: Blade, are Hornady cases large or small primer. Is there any advantage in using one over the other. I am guessing by the sound of it, it will come down which ever I can get my hands on.. Any advise on primers of choice for 22-250 and 223. What should I be looking for? Thanks in advance'
Baitlayer wrote:Thanks , Blade. Will start shopping about and grab stuff as it becomes available.
Wanneroo for me ,its not so much about the cost savings (although they are nice) i just enjoy doing things myself'. I build my own fishing rods, tie flies. I make knives and build my own equipment like my 2x72 grinder ,gas forge as well as workshop equipment, targets rests etc. To me, reloading would be an extension of this. There is something very satisfying about using something you have built from scratch..
gunnnie wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if the glubbermunt & police are pushing to shut down firearm ownership in Australia by making it impossible to reload.
Not to mention the whole cry about anti-terrorism and stopping the 'bad guys' from making devices by using available powder etc.
Nothin is simple anymore and certainly not what it all seems!
This is just another kick in the nuts for LAFO's!
gunnnie wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if the glubbermunt & police are pushing to shut down firearm ownership in Australia by making it impossible to reload.
Not to mention the whole cry about anti-terrorism and stopping the 'bad guys' from making devices by using available powder etc.
Nothin is simple anymore and certainly not what it all seems!
This is just another kick in the nuts for LAFO's!
gunnnie wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if the glubbermunt & police are pushing to shut down firearm ownership in Australia by making it impossible to reload.
Not to mention the whole cry about anti-terrorism and stopping the 'bad guys' from making devices by using available powder etc.
Nothin is simple anymore and certainly not what it all seems!
This is just another kick in the nuts for LAFO's!
rc42 wrote:I heard today that a shipment of some 2 million CCI small pistol primers is due through Nioa in the coming weeks, half are allocated to Cleavers and every one has already been bought on back order..
on_one_wheel wrote:gunnnie wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if the glubbermunt & police are pushing to shut down firearm ownership in Australia by making it impossible to reload.
Not to mention the whole cry about anti-terrorism and stopping the 'bad guys' from making devices by using available powder etc.
Nothin is simple anymore and certainly not what it all seems!
This is just another kick in the nuts for LAFO's!
I doubt that's the case but I can understand why people would think like that.
It's simply a supply and demand issue made worse than normal by covid related supply chain issues, military build up and panic buying. It's a perfect storm.
bladeracer wrote:gunnnie wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if the glubbermunt & police are pushing to shut down firearm ownership in Australia by making it impossible to reload.
Not to mention the whole cry about anti-terrorism and stopping the 'bad guys' from making devices by using available powder etc.
Nothin is simple anymore and certainly not what it all seems!
This is just another kick in the nuts for LAFO's!
While you can certainly use smokeless powders to make explosives they really need to crack down on distribution of petrol first as that is used more often to commit crimes than powders are, and you don't even need a licence or a genuine reason or join an approved petrol users club to buy the stuff. And powders can only be used in very specific crimes that are incredibly rare, unlike petrol which is used in virtually all crimes. A woman murdered her children by setting fire to their car two weeks ago. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-16/woman-and-two-young-children-found-dead-in-burnt-vehicle/13797988
on_one_wheel wrote:gunnnie wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if the glubbermunt & police are pushing to shut down firearm ownership in Australia by making it impossible to reload.
Not to mention the whole cry about anti-terrorism and stopping the 'bad guys' from making devices by using available powder etc.
Nothin is simple anymore and certainly not what it all seems!
This is just another kick in the nuts for LAFO's!
I doubt that's the case but I can understand why people would think like that.
It's simply a supply and demand issue made worse than normal by covid related supply chain issues, military build up and panic buying. It's a perfect storm.
gunnnie wrote:Well, for all our sake's I hope that your view on this is correct! But based on the behaviour of the glubbermunt this past 2+yrs and what has come to light in recent times, I would trust the political mainstream as far as I could throw them!
Start looking closer at all the changes that have come in the past few years. Ask what the reason behind the change is and then question the reality behind it. The 'looks like' rule in NSW, the push in WA re reloading and possession of diagrams, schematics, just to point out 2 examples. On the surface seemingly benign and sold to the pandering masses as yet more steps in ensuring public safety. But the reality is far from the reasoning provided.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong, but myself and many, many others are seeing otherwise.
bladeracer wrote:gunnnie wrote:Well, for all our sake's I hope that your view on this is correct! But based on the behaviour of the glubbermunt this past 2+yrs and what has come to light in recent times, I would trust the political mainstream as far as I could throw them!
Start looking closer at all the changes that have come in the past few years. Ask what the reason behind the change is and then question the reality behind it. The 'looks like' rule in NSW, the push in WA re reloading and possession of diagrams, schematics, just to point out 2 examples. On the surface seemingly benign and sold to the pandering masses as yet more steps in ensuring public safety. But the reality is far from the reasoning provided.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong, but myself and many, many others are seeing otherwise.
The "reason" behind all our firearm laws is the UN Charter on totally disarming the civilian population of all member countries.
dnedative wrote:Wouldn't bother reloading 223 Rem;
22-250 yes
6.5CM yes
You can get 2209 and primers, although the primers are not cheap. Issue will be getting .264 bullets; If you can get bullets its still cheaper than any factory ammunition. Its a really bad time to get into pistols or reloading at the moment, everyone is on borrowed time and components to some extent.
Bill wrote:dnedative wrote:Wouldn't bother reloading 223 Rem;
22-250 yes
6.5CM yes
You can get 2209 and primers, although the primers are not cheap. Issue will be getting .264 bullets; If you can get bullets its still cheaper than any factory ammunition. Its a really bad time to get into pistols or reloading at the moment, everyone is on borrowed time and components to some extent.
I wouldnt reload 22-250 ammo, Box 50 Tikka 22-250 is around $75-80 and shoots sub MOA in cheap rifles
Creedmoor, you can get very accurate Match ammo but very expensive some some savings to be made if you re shooting regularly
on_one_wheel wrote:Bill wrote:I wouldnt reload 22-250 ammo, Box 50 Tikka 22-250 is around $75-80 and shoots sub MOA in cheap rifles
Creedmoor, you can get very accurate Match ammo but very expensive some some savings to be made if you re shooting regularly
I couldn't bring myself to pay $1.50 per round for anything (other than big rounds like 300WM)
sound way too expensive in my book.