Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

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Post by JimTom » 24 Jan 2021, 7:22 pm

Been an increase in price on the reloading components I have recently purchased mate.
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Post by mchughcb » 24 Jan 2021, 8:02 pm

Last week I walked into a store to inquire about wads. The seller wanted to know where I"m getting my reloading gear from LMAO!

There has been several storm fronts. One is the dollar has killed US importation of powders and reloading gear. The fire and change of powders in NSW has restricted ADI powders. I have written twice in the last week for what are the shotgun loads for APS950 and APS650. This is currently sold on the shelf but has no shotgun reloading data on their website and it meant to be a replacement for AP70. Local retailers are streamling their shotgun choices. Don't be surprised if you have trouble finding BB 42 gram loads, #3, #5 because they are narrowing their choices. Factory ammo in the common clay target is that cheap now almost nobody is reloading so getting hulls, primers, wads and shot is very difficult.
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Post by Blr243 » 24 Jan 2021, 9:06 pm

To amuse my miserable self today I decided to load up a stack of 308 in the hope that my hunting may take a turn and become exciting again It does not take long to get thru most of a kilo of 2208 ....Other than my 4570 .I often wonder if it’s worth reloading for many common cals. God help us if PPU ever shut up shop
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Post by Ziege » 24 Jan 2021, 9:21 pm

there are a lot of cheap ammo manufacturers that we never see their produce on the shelves here. travel around SEA and see plenty of places using factory ammo and charging a poofteenth of what we pay per round for an equivalent calibre, sure they might not be the "best" ammo, but they exist and they are substantially cheaper than regular ammo we are used to.
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Post by JohnV » 25 Jan 2021, 7:04 am

When you don't have your own large scale weapons and ammo manufacturing industry you become victim to what other countries want because they are the manufacturers . Take ADI we make the best powder in the world but most of it is bought up by other countries leaving us to fight over the expensive scraps .
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Post by wrenchman » 27 Jan 2021, 10:38 am

i have about 250 small pistol primer to load with i am just waiting for it to warm up i was at a big box store there was some rifle stuff rounds that are not real popular and shot gun rounds shelfs were emty of every thing else
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Post by on_one_wheel » 27 Jan 2021, 8:39 pm

I'm sure about one thing, there'll never be an ammo shortage at my place unless the boys in blue come and clean me out.
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Post by wanneroo » 28 Jan 2021, 1:36 am

I don't think we will be seeing much in the way of primers for a while in any country. Nor powder or bullets. Just about all jacketed bullets here in the USA are sold out online or in store. Same as powder. None available online anywhere. Even the big distributors are entirely sold out.

I went to my local country type gun store and all the bullets had been picked over, very little of use left. A couple of 1 pound canisters of oddball powders. He did have one pound of CFE BLK, so I was like why not and I bought it. No pistol ammo to be had, some hunting ammo of different calibers.

All this is why I recommend people learn to reload and prepare ahead of time. Primers and powder will last for many decades if stored in stable conditions, bullets don't really go stale if stored well too.
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Post by JohnV » 08 Feb 2021, 3:16 pm

Is China buying up ADI powder ? It seems we and the USA can't get enough so where is it all going ?
ADI lied to me when they said overseas sales would not affect the home market .
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Post by Oldbloke » 08 Feb 2021, 3:21 pm

JohnV wrote:Is China buying up ADI powder ? It seems we and the USA can't get enough so where is it all going ?
ADI lied to me when they said overseas sales would not affect the home market .


Highly unlikely IMO.
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Post by JohnV » 08 Feb 2021, 3:32 pm

Well something is not right because in years gone past I could go into a gun shop and see dozens of tins of different brand powders for sale over the counter . ADI spent many millions on expanding production but there still seems to be a shortage .
ADI is a foreign owner company owned by Thales a French company . I don't think they give a toss about Australia .
When it was Mulwex and part of the Australian defense group we had plenty of powder , now it's Thales run from France and there is shortages . Something stinks . What brainless moron in the Australian Government sold a vital defense asset to a foreign company ?
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Post by Oldbloke » 08 Feb 2021, 4:34 pm

I'm pretty sure China doesn't rely on Australia to supply their military of powder. Lol

Thales did build a new facility a few years ago. BUT, (may be corrected here) they shut down some very old production lines too.

Thales lied to you! Get with it Jonn, we get lied to every day when we watch the news, go shopping, listen to politicians or company owners.

Perhaps,,,,,
Our ADF
Europe
USA
UK, although I doubt that.

Who was the moron that sold it?
Well we still own it. My understanding is that Thales only operates the facility.

My bet is LNP was involved. The government waste reduction/cost cutting specialists. (Read, very short term thinking party)
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Post by Patriot » 08 Feb 2021, 4:35 pm

I just bought 2 slabs of Winchester super x 00 buckshot at my LGS after months of not being able to buy it by the slab.
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Post by Oldbloke » 08 Feb 2021, 4:57 pm

Looks like Thales bought the ADI name on 10/12/2006. (References bottom of page) But Im pretty certain OZ owns the site and infrastructure. Its a contract arrangement that was up for renewal about 2 years ago. My guess would be 10 yr contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales_Australia
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Post by JohnV » 08 Feb 2021, 4:59 pm

Oldbloke wrote:I'm pretty sure China doesn't rely on Australia to supply their military of powder. Lol

Thales did build a new facility a few years ago. BUT, (may be corrected here) they shut down some very old production lines too.

Thales lied to you! Get with it Jonn, we get lied to every day when we watch the news, go shopping, listen to politicians or company owners.

Perhaps,,,,,
Our ADF
Europe
USA
UK, although I doubt that.

Who was the moron that sold it?
Well we still own it. My understanding is that Thales only operates the facility.

My bet is LNP was involved. The government waste reduction/cost cutting specialists. (Read, very short term thinking party)

I did not say it did I asked a question . Why is it so hard to believe because the US manufactures a huge amount of powders but still buys tones of ADI powder every year ? If Thales operates the facility then they own the powder that is produced and if they have a lease then they control the whole show until that lease expires and is not renewed . Thales gets it's instructions from it's headquarters in France not from the Australian Government . I have caught them out on a lie before .
There should be no shortage of ADI powders in Australia but there is .
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Post by on_one_wheel » 08 Feb 2021, 6:55 pm

Supply contracts ... the Australian general public are left with whatevers left.

It's not the first time ADI has been thin on the ground in Australia.
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Post by Oldbloke » 08 Feb 2021, 7:20 pm

"If Thales operates the facility then they own the powder that is produced and if they have a lease then they control the whole show until that lease expires and is not renewed"

That statement i believe is an over simplification.

Is what you saw in the contract that Thames and the Australian Government signed?
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Post by wanneroo » 09 Feb 2021, 1:39 am

There is little powder over here so we don't have it. Shelves are basically bare.
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Post by Macross » 09 Feb 2021, 9:58 am

Speaking to the owner of my LGS the other day and he mentioned that the Federal rep had just been in. He apparently said that Federal are looking to 2025 before things start to normalize again. Taken with a grain of salt.
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Post by Ziege » 09 Feb 2021, 10:31 am

Oldbloke wrote:
My bet is LNP was involved. The government waste reduction/cost cutting specialists. (Read, very short term thinking party)



Bit like the antithesis to the other useless bunch of oxygen thieves, the Australian communist party..... I mean Labor party. Both are equally incompetent, both treat aussies with contempt, but labor is the worst of the two by fat, case and point - penny wong. Labor are the cause of most of that s**t, they spend our great grandchildren's futures now on s**t that has 0 effect to benefit aussies, always blows out of budget and they have 0 spine giving all the government tenders to labour union heavies who blow out jobs and suck even more taxpayer money out of treasury and for what?

I dont agree with selling off assets either but I dont see how any other government if elected has any choice after the constant deletion of funds by labor.

both parties need to go or be majorly shook up, anyone voting for either of them is a complete mong and arsehole.
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Post by Bugman » 09 Feb 2021, 10:33 am

Who would you suggest we vote for and why?
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Post by Ziege » 09 Feb 2021, 10:58 am

quite simple bugman, if everyone stopped being lemmings and voted for minority parties, the chain of career politics in the major parties would be broken, not to mention actual debate would take place, for instance it is literally a major component of being in the labor party that they can not ever oppose the party line, this isnt remotely democratic. a series of minority governments would send the message that change is needed, and that peoples rights and needs are more important than party politics and their internal hierarchal nonsense. Politicians in this country act like theyre rulers not servants of the people/demographic, politicians that follow the party line instead of the wants of their constituency are betraying those they lied to at election time. f*** the lot of them, as for me I am an increasingly single issue voter, therefore I vote SFFP and LibDems, also helps that I have family and friends running as candidates both fed and state for those parties.

Also have the unique insight into the Libs/Coalition as my mum used to be a Nationals State Senate back bencher.

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Post by Oldbloke » 09 Feb 2021, 11:58 am

Oldbloke wrote:Looks like Thales bought the ADI name on 10/12/2006. (References bottom of page) But Im pretty certain OZ owns the site and infrastructure. Its a contract arrangement that was up for renewal about 2 years ago. My guess would be 10 yr contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales_Australia


I find it comical that many firearm owners consistently bag the ALP. And are obviously strong supporters of the LNP.[b]Yet,[b] it appears it was good old little johnny who oversaw the Mulwex plant leased out to Thales in 2006 (now ADI) as well as the "96 steal back".

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Personally I haven't voted for any of the majors for many years. But the above facts speak for themselves.

So, who's side are these LNP supporters on?

And as for the ALP running up debts. I just wonder what it is now after Scotty has had a turn? LMHO.

And you can argue all you like, now, and when the GFC hit the treasury said spend up big to support the economy. It worked back then and is this time.
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Post by Bugman » 09 Feb 2021, 1:20 pm

Ziege wrote:quite simple bugman, if everyone stopped being lemmings and voted for minority parties, the chain of career politics in the major parties would be broken, not to mention actual debate would take place, for instance it is literally a major component of being in the labor party that they can not ever oppose the party line, this isnt remotely democratic. a series of minority governments would send the message that change is needed, and that peoples rights and needs are more important than party politics and their internal hierarchal nonsense. Politicians in this country act like theyre rulers not servants of the people/demographic, politicians that follow the party line instead of the wants of their constituency are betraying those they lied to at election time. f*** the lot of them, as for me I am an increasingly single issue voter, therefore I vote SFFP and LibDems, also helps that I have family and friends running as candidates both fed and state for those parties.

Also have the unique insight into the Libs/Coalition as my mum used to be a Nationals State Senate back bencher.

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I must be honest. I too voted SFFP and LibsDems. So despite our disagreements, you and I have common ground. There you have it.
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Post by JohnV » 09 Feb 2021, 1:36 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:Supply contracts ... the Australian general public are left with whatevers left.

It's not the first time ADI has been thin on the ground in Australia.

I agree but they promised that would not happen . They lied .
Americans can buy ADI powder cheaper than we can . It's criminal .
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Post by Oldbloke » 09 Feb 2021, 2:54 pm

JohnV wrote:
on_one_wheel wrote:Supply contracts ... the Australian general public are left with whatevers left.

It's not the first time ADI has been thin on the ground in Australia.

I agree but they promised that would not happen . They lied .
Americans can buy ADI powder cheaper than we can . It's criminal .


Companies lie to consumers all the time nothing new. Not saying is ok, just a fact.

As usual its profits.

Our Dangerous Goods Transport code is pretty tough and I'm sure it would add a fair bit of cost. And we are a very small market. US must have huge buying power. No idea of their DG requirements but they must have some. But they do pay something, its been mentioned some us forums.

I always buy up if its cheap and aim to have 2-3 years reloading/ammo supplies in stock.

Currently ok for powder for about 3 years. The rest maybe 5 or more. But I only fieId shoot. Would be different/harder for keen target shooters.
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Post by Bugman » 09 Feb 2021, 3:02 pm

Yes. I have enough powder for target shooting for about 2 years. Projectiles ok at present. One can only hope things settle down a bit in the not too distant future. :unknown:
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Post by Oldbloke » 09 Feb 2021, 3:15 pm

OK, just found it. US buyers seem to pay $12.95 Hazmat fee as part of the delivery cost.

I think, powder, primers & ammo

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Post by Ziege » 09 Feb 2021, 5:57 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Looks like Thales bought the ADI name on 10/12/2006. (References bottom of page) But Im pretty certain OZ owns the site and infrastructure. Its a contract arrangement that was up for renewal about 2 years ago. My guess would be 10 yr contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales_Australia


I find it comical that many firearm owners consistently bag the ALP. And are obviously strong supporters of the LNP.[b]Yet,[b] it appears it was good old little johnny who oversaw the Mulwex plant leased out to Thales in 2006 (now ADI) as well as the "96 steal back".

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Personally I haven't voted for any of the majors for many years. But the above facts speak for themselves.

So, who's side are these LNP supporters on?

And as for the ALP running up debts. I just wonder what it is now after Scotty has had a turn? LMHO.

And you can argue all you like, now, and when the GFC hit the treasury said spend up big to support the economy. It worked back then and is this time.



Give ya a hint bud, internal revenue is just that, a house full of people passing a $100 note back n forth isn't actually helping that homes economy... It sure gives the impression to those inside, but it really does nothing, just as is evident by the GST stats, the states of QLD, VIC, SA, TAS and the two Territories NT and ACT all showing a large deficit of tax revenue and essentially all backed by NSW and WA (WA by a factor of like 5 over NSW), this is called insolvency in business, the government sells out the future to save its skin now. The stimulus spending in both GFC and now in Covid measures is not helping the future of anyone's kids, its doing the opposite.

see the only thing that actually helps the economy is raw income, this doesn't come from recycling the same $10 bucks between joe blo and joe bloggs this comes from bringing wealth in from outside the system within. Victorians often believe they have a big economy because of their retails sector and so on, but consumerism rarely brings in anything in regards to the GDP.

So whilst many short sightedly champion the spending by government (very socialist of them) those looking ahead lament the endless debt they have plunged us into without so much as a referendum. Now you might argue they're elected to make that decision, but in essence they leave politics at the end of their little stay and receive CEO level pensions whilst the rest of us continue to fund them and all their mistakes, lies and corruption. They feel no effect of their recklessness at all, meanwhile my great grandchildren will be paying for their choices long after the very short period in time where they made people feel warm and fuzzy about it.
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Post by rc42 » 09 Feb 2021, 5:58 pm

Companies boast that they price their products at a level that the local markets support, they don't just add a fair profit margin to their base costs.
Ikea were in the news a few years ago because their Australian prices were multiples of their European pricing for not good reason other than things are more expensive in Australia so lets make more profit there.

The true basis of capitalism - charge whatever enough people are still willing to pay.
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