will these work in a 308?

[Tubs]

Hey All,

Ive ended up with a box of these by accident https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/3 ... -30-win#!/

Can these be used in 308? It is the right weight ie: 160gr but the shape is obviously different. The cannelure is quite high on the bullet so if I were to seat it to the cannelure I think I may end up compressing my powder...

Any ideas/tips? They look like good hunting bullets I just dont know if their shape will lend themselves to being accurate......

im using 2206H btw

Thanks

[Blr243]

I have loaded a few and shot a few in my 308 but not tested them for accuracy or used them on game ......when u first asked about their suitability my first thought was that if they were designed for 3030 , then they are most likely designed to expand/ perform at 3030 velocity. So maybe in a 308 u might get surface blow ups

[deye243]

Forget about the cannula and if your hunting distances are 150 yards Plus no problem ftx projectiles have a very heavy shank .

[No1Mk3]

G'day Tubs, 30 cal is 30 cal, cartridge is utterly irrelevant. 308 Win can be loaded with 98g wadcutter or 240g mono and everything in between depending on what you want to do, so can every other 30 cal cartridge from 30 USM1 Carbine to 300 H&H Magnum. If load density is an issue, change powders or seat out before the cannelure, it is a guide not an absolute. Cheers.

[bladeracer]

Hey All,

Ive ended up with a box of these by accident https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/3 ... -30-win#!/

Can these be used in 308? It is the right weight ie: 160gr but the shape is obviously different. The cannelure is quite high on the bullet so if I were to seat it to the cannelure I think I may end up compressing my powder...

Any ideas/tips? They look like good hunting bullets I just dont know if their shape will lend themselves to being accurate......

im using 2206H btw

Thanks

Absolutely! The cannelure is irrelevant, you can crimp wherever you want to.
Compressed powder is also a good thing, it can give more consistent ignition.
The shape won't make them less accurate, but it will reduce their ballistic coefficient for longer ranges.

I finally got some Sub-X 190gn bullets on Friday for testing, supposed to function down to 900fos.

[Tubs]

Thanks chaps, I wish I had some load data, there are no 160gr projectiles listed in the ADI data for 308 so i guess Ill load heavier than 165 and lighter than 155.....

[bladeracer]

Thanks chaps, I wish I had some load data, there are no 160gr projectiles listed in the ADI data for 308 so i guess Ill load heavier than 165 and lighter than 155.....

Yep, that's basically how it works.

[in2anity]

Out of curiosity I dissected aforementioned projectile to compare against a palma pill - as you can see the jacket thickness is very similar, i very much doubt you will spin the jacket off the FTX at 308 revs.

160gr FTX left, 155gr HPBT SMK right

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AR2206H is pretty close to optimal and will certainly work for the use case. In fact there are plenty of TR shooters using AR2206H under a 155 (myself included because it’s what I’ve got!). AR2208 is a little more appropriate, but AR2206H will still get the job done just fine.

[Tubs]

Bullet surgery in action, that's awesome. I've loaded 43 gr of 2206H. If it's half as accurate as my 175 HPBT SMK's Ill be very happy.
If only I had somewhere to shoot it now that we are in lockdown doh.

[boingk]

G'day Tubs, 30 cal is 30 cal, cartridge is utterly irrelevant. 308 Win can be loaded with 98g wadcutter or 240g mono and everything in between depending on what you want to do

Bingo. Out of sheer cooincidence thats just what I'm doing at the moment with some .312" 98gn wads in the 308 backed up with trailboss. I bought them originally for a 32-20 but it didn't like feeding the wadcutters and much prefers a lighter 78gn round-nose pill.

Big thing to watch for with any FTX pill is the seating depth - match the overall length to what a factory pill is and go from there.

- boingk

[in2anity]

Bullet surgery in action, that's awesome. I've loaded 43 gr of 2206H. If it's half as accurate as my 175 HPBT SMK's Ill be very happy.
If only I had somewhere to shoot it now that we are in lockdown doh.

I hear yu. I had scrambled to shoot smallbore today since the fullbore range was shut yesterday- yar that was AM, now everything is shut….

[Tubs]

G'day Tubs, 30 cal is 30 cal, cartridge is utterly irrelevant. 308 Win can be loaded with 98g wadcutter or 240g mono and everything in between depending on what you want to do

Bingo. Out of sheer cooincidence thats just what I'm doing at the moment with some .312" 98gn wads in the 308 backed up with trailboss. I bought them originally for a 32-20 but it didn't like feeding the wadcutters and much prefers a lighter 78gn round-nose pill.

Big thing to watch for with any FTX pill is the seating depth - match the overall length to what a factory pill is and go from there.

- boingk

Can you post link of/to projectile? Id havent experimented with mini loads in the 308 yet.

[Tubs]

Bullet surgery in action, that's awesome. I've loaded 43 gr of 2206H. If it's half as accurate as my 175 HPBT SMK's Ill be very happy.
If only I had somewhere to shoot it now that we are in lockdown doh.

I hear yu. I had scrambled to shoot smallbore today since the fullbore range was shut yesterday- yar that was AM, now everything is shut….

I reckon it will drag on longer than two weeks unfortunately. This delta variant sounds very infectious.

[in2anity]

Big thing to watch for with any FTX pill is the seating depth - match the overall length to what a factory pill is and go from there.

- boingk

Why? He’s not trying to replicate 30/30 lever loads? Personally I’d be ignoring the canelure, with no crimp, and seating as close to the lands as convenient.

[Oldbloke]

Big thing to watch for with any FTX pill is the seating depth - match the overall length to what a factory pill is and go from there.

- boingk

Why? He’s not trying to replicate 30/30 lever loads? Personally I’d be ignoring the canelure, with no crimp, and seating as close to the lands as convenient.

I agree. Twenty thou from the lands appears to be popular. Works for me.
But as mentioned earlier, perhaps don't push them too fast.

[deanp100]

Thanks chaps, I wish I had some load data, there are no 160gr projectiles listed in the ADI data for 308 so i guess Ill load heavier than 165 and lighter than 155.....

Don’t you want to do the opposite?

[Tubs]

Thanks chaps, I wish I had some load data, there are no 160gr projectiles listed in the ADI data for 308 so i guess Ill load heavier than 165 and lighter than 155.....

Don’t you want to do the opposite?

155 is a lighter bullet and therefore powder load will be greater. So a 160 needs less powder than a 155..... corollary is correct for 165......

Anyone point me to some cheap sub 100 grain 308 projectiles?

[LawrenceA]

Just watch velocity.
30-30 bullets expand at lower velocity.
So may fail to penetrate well up close.
Would expand well at longer range.
Doubt they will came apart upon exiting the barrel though.

[bladeracer]

Thanks chaps, I wish I had some load data, there are no 160gr projectiles listed in the ADI data for 308 so i guess Ill load heavier than 165 and lighter than 155.....

Don’t you want to do the opposite?

155 is a lighter bullet and therefore powder load will be greater. So a 160 needs less powder than a 155..... corollary is correct for 165......

Anyone point me to some cheap sub 100 grain 308 projectiles?

Cheapest jacketed bullets I found were the 100gn Plinker half-jacketed lead round nose.
Otherwise, the Berry's 123gn Copper-Plated .311" bullet is pretty cheap and shoots well in my .30-06.
But, for cheap, you're better off casting your own. Lee do a 90gn .314" mould, and you can throw bullets with nothing more than a steel ladle and a gas torch. Then push them through a sizing die.

[Tubs]

Thanks chaps, I wish I had some load data, there are no 160gr projectiles listed in the ADI data for 308 so i guess Ill load heavier than 165 and lighter than 155.....

Don’t you want to do the opposite?

155 is a lighter bullet and therefore powder load will be greater. So a 160 needs less powder than a 155..... corollary is correct for 165......

Anyone point me to some cheap sub 100 grain 308 projectiles?

Cheapest jacketed bullets I found were the 100gn Plinker half-jacketed lead round nose.
Otherwise, the Berry's 123gn Copper-Plated .311" bullet is pretty cheap and shoots well in my .30-06.
But, for cheap, you're better off casting your own. Lee do a 90gn .314" mould, and you can throw bullets with nothing more than a steel ladle and a gas torch. Then push them through a sizing die.

Speer for the Plinkers? Cant find any *sob*

Im pushing these through my 308.... Good to go with .314 bullets?

[Tubs]

Thanks chaps, I wish I had some load data, there are no 160gr projectiles listed in the ADI data for 308 so i guess Ill load heavier than 165 and lighter than 155.....

Don’t you want to do the opposite?

155 is a lighter bullet and therefore powder load will be greater. So a 160 needs less powder than a 155..... corollary is correct for 165......

Anyone point me to some cheap sub 100 grain 308 projectiles?

Cheapest jacketed bullets I found were the 100gn Plinker half-jacketed lead round nose.
Otherwise, the Berry's 123gn Copper-Plated .311" bullet is pretty cheap and shoots well in my .30-06.
But, for cheap, you're better off casting your own. Lee do a 90gn .314" mould, and you can throw bullets with nothing more than a steel ladle and a gas torch. Then push them through a sizing die.

Im intrigued, where do you buy lead from?

[bladeracer]

Mostly I recover my own bullets, I shoot around 20,000 .22LR a year, plus other stuff. Recovering 20,000 40gn bullets (almost five two-litre Coke bottles full) gives you 800,000gn of bullet alloy, enough to make 8,000 100gn bullets - basically for no cost. Then keep recovering them and reuse them indefinitely. But pure lead can be bought from Bunnings in rolls. Add hard shot and/or 60/40 solder to harden the alloy. Or you can order bullet alloys from Northern Smelters in Qld. Lead shot I generally order from Rebel Gun Works in Brisbane. Lead is fairly expensive, around $10 per kilogram, but as I reuse most of it indefinitely the cost becomes negligible.

[bladeracer]

.314" is likely to be too fat to chamber in a .308 chamber, but you can size them down to the size that works best. Trying to increase the diameter of under-size bullets is a lot harder. The bullet being larger than the bore doesn't really matter, it will swage down as it enters, provided you can chamber it. Even jacketed lead-core bullets, but monolithic copper or brass bullets cause significant pressure spikes if they are over-size. With soft bullets, like cast lead or copper-plated lead, you generally want them one or two thousandths larger than the throat or groove diameter to ensure they block the gas from getting past.

[deanp100]

Thanks chaps, I wish I had some load data, there are no 160gr projectiles listed in the ADI data for 308 so i guess Ill load heavier than 165 and lighter than 155.....

Don’t you want to do the opposite?

155 is a lighter bullet and therefore powder load will be greater. So a 160 needs less powder than a 155..... corollary is correct for 165......

Anyone point me to some cheap sub 100 grain 308 projectiles?

I think I just had a stroke. This morning I read that and in my mind it was the complete opposite. Apologies. You are correct.

[Tubs]

No need mate