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Post by northdude » 13 Jan 2022, 5:31 pm

Any of you guys heard of these or got one? made in aussie
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Post by deye243 » 13 Jan 2022, 5:36 pm

These things have been made and sold by a lot of different mobs set up a right they are very consistent the original I think was from a bloke called skip on Australian shooting forum way back in 2014 15 I think it was very cheap to make yourself
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Post by No1Mk3 » 13 Jan 2022, 6:03 pm

A friend has an Ugly and has had no problems, I have a South African made machine in the same vein. They are great for quantity annealing but the limitaion is they really don't like old style tapered body cases like 303, 7.62x54R, Lebel etc. For these I bought a rotating plate/vertical brass type machine, the best of which would be the Bench Source but they are bloody expensive. Another mate just recently bought an induction annealer and he swears by it, Cheers
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Post by cz515 » 13 Jan 2022, 6:53 pm

I thought ugly got the piastres made overseas.

I have a kase one made by someone in tassie.

All of these are made on a design by some yank guy
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Post by Strikey » 13 Jan 2022, 8:32 pm

Yeah I got an Ugly, best 300 bucks I spent and the backup service from Cheng is first class, any queries and he will answer very quickly.
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Post by Faedy » 14 Jan 2022, 12:01 am

Got my ugly annealer straight from Cheng - awesome service and a top addition to the shed
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Post by northdude » 14 Jan 2022, 5:28 pm

good to hear Ill order one
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Post by northdude » 08 Feb 2022, 4:13 pm

do you guys polish your brass before annealing?
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Post by Faedy » 08 Feb 2022, 11:15 pm

^^^ run mine through a sonic cleaner using a heaped tablespoon of citric acid and a good squirt of dishwashing liquid in the water.
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Post by northdude » 04 Mar 2022, 8:35 am

any one care to share their settings for different cals?
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Post by Oldbloke » 04 Mar 2022, 11:35 pm

Faedy wrote:^^^ run mine through a sonic cleaner using a heaped tablespoon of citric acid and a good squirt of dishwashing liquid in the water.


Gee that's a lot. Couple of times I used it I used a level teaspoon. Normally I use.
Water 75%
Any Vinegar 25%
Squirt of dish washing liquid
Half teaspoon salt. Just seems to speed it up.

But hot water would also speed it up.

About 4-5 minutes is plenty.
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Post by Faedy » 05 Mar 2022, 2:31 am

^^^ my post should read heaped teaspoon, not tablespoon
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Post by northdude » 05 Mar 2022, 7:23 am

I was meaning the timer setting to get brass up to correct temp
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Post by Bill » 05 Mar 2022, 10:38 am

about 10 seconds, watch an annealing machines online to get an idea.

When I anneal with a hand held burner and a drill rotating the brass sitting inside a socket, I wait for the brass neck and should to glow red. it takes 10 secs usually :thumbsup:
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Post by on_one_wheel » 05 Mar 2022, 11:04 am

Bill wrote:about 10 seconds, watch an annealing machines online to get an idea.

When I anneal with a hand held burner and a drill rotating the brass sitting inside a socket, I wait for the brass neck and should to glow red. it takes 10 secs usually :thumbsup:


Some would argue that your getting your brass too hot if it's glowing.
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Post by Bill » 05 Mar 2022, 2:38 pm

I understand what he is saying on_one_wheel but I'm only using a single burner he has two, If I was being honest I'm probably guilty of over annealing by a few seconds :lol:
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Post by on_one_wheel » 05 Mar 2022, 2:55 pm

Bill wrote:I understand what he is saying on_one_wheel but I'm only using a single burner he has two, If I was being honest I'm probably guilty of over annealing by a few seconds :lol:


After watching that video the other day I recon iv been over cooking all my brass since I first started out.
I use a ¼ drive deep socket on a drill, turn out the lights and heat until I detect the faintest glow then quench.
My last batch looked a little inconsistent, probably because I'm in a bit of pain and I'm not on my A game which prompted me to search utube for ideas on a build.

Personally I reckon my brass is still fine, it definitely hasn't turned to copper around the necks and the annealing has still been limited to just beyond the shoulder. :thumbsup:
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Post by Bill » 05 Mar 2022, 3:25 pm

I try to anneal every time when I'm doing range work but lately Ive been hitting the range twice a week and have skipped it a few too many times, it was noticeable the difference in seating pressure.
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Post by northdude » 05 Mar 2022, 5:30 pm

I'm mainly going to do it to my grendel brass. I've been handloading for 15+ years and for the first time I'm getting a lot of split necks so thinking time to venture into annealing first cartridge I've had this happening with on a regular basis
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Post by Bill » 05 Mar 2022, 5:47 pm

Yeah if youve had a few splits with the Grendel then its time, I think I went 7 or 8 reloads with no annealing before I split a Grendel neck, mind you some of the primer pockets were getting a bit lose too :lol:
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Post by northdude » 05 Mar 2022, 7:08 pm

that's good I'm only up to 3
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Post by Oldbloke » 05 Mar 2022, 8:05 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:
Bill wrote:I understand what he is saying on_one_wheel but I'm only using a single burner he has two, If I was being honest I'm probably guilty of over annealing by a few seconds :lol:


After watching that video the other day I recon iv been over cooking all my brass since I first started out.
I use a ¼ drive deep socket on a drill, turn out the lights and heat until I detect the faintest glow then quench.
My last batch looked a little inconsistent, probably because I'm in a bit of pain and I'm not on my A game which prompted me to search utube for ideas on a build.

Personally I reckon my brass is still fine, it definitely hasn't turned to copper around the necks and the annealing has still been limited to just beyond the shoulder. :thumbsup:


Yep, I sounds it, just 1 or 2 seconds. Blue or grey is the go. But if they are resizing OK just keep using them . After you fire & resize them they should harden up a bit and be OK.
No need to quench brass does nothing. I drop them on a damp rag to just speed up the cooling process.

I think there is a lot of miss-information out there about annealing. Ask a sheet metal worker. I can remember at Tech School we used to anneal copper by heating it up red hot in day light. Beat it a bit with a hammer and it started to harden again. So do it again. LOL I know it's not exactly the same but IMO a tad too hot makes little or no difference. ( might be different if you in the world championships. LOL) When I first did it it was the heat till red hot (during the day) and tip over into the cold water. Only ever had 1 or 2 crush the neck resizing.

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I just count. Once you get it right just repeat.

Here is some I did a while back. Same method. 4 seconds for the 223 with the large burner. I'll use the small one next time for a bit more control.

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Post by northdude » 22 May 2022, 4:55 pm

Been at it this weekend. did a couple of batches of 6.5 grendel 6.5x55 25 06 and bought some greek 303 back to life garage looked like an ammo factory :D
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Post by wazz » 23 May 2022, 7:00 pm

northdude wrote:any one care to share their settings for different cals?

223 #50
22/250,220 swift #45
243 #40
303 #35
I can't remember 270wsm and 308, I will have a look in the morning (written on the side of the annealer)
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Post by northdude » 23 May 2022, 7:11 pm

cool thanks for that. I found around the 40 mark for the 6.5 stuff
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