REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Oldbloke » 13 Oct 2022, 7:16 pm

Very intetesting Laz.

Any pics of:

22lr subsonic solid
22lr HV,
223 super roo 55gr
308 Hornady Interlock
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 14 Oct 2022, 8:32 am

Oldbloke wrote:Very intetesting Laz.

Any pics of:

22lr subsonic solid
22lr HV,
223 super roo 55gr
308 Hornady Interlock


Thanks OB

I don't have a .308, yet but it's on my wish list, with the the V4 Multistrada :D, probably more chance of getting the .308

I do have subsonic HP and HV as well as Hornady 55gn RooMax which are pretty close equivalent.

The subs actually penetrated the gel farther than the HV.
The first pics are the subs, apologies for image quality but I was using the wrong settings on my DSLR.

I was using much smaller molds during the first tests and the subs went right through the full 34cm.
Entry point is the red dot on the right, the 2 green dots indicate the maximum width of the permanent wound cavity.
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Have got my poop in a group vis a vis the camera, the S&B HV pics are better
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Next .22 was the Aguila Hypermax 30gn
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Despite expanding less the Aguila made a better permanent wound.

I then tested the venerable Power Points
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As the S&B 40gn subs were overpenetrating the small block I tested them at 75m
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 14 Oct 2022, 8:39 am

The Hornady 55gn RooMax at 100m

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Entry was from the right, for some reason I forgot to put the ruler in for scale but there was about 19cm of permanent wound cavity
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Oldbloke » 14 Oct 2022, 12:53 pm

Thx Laz,
Id certainly be interested if you do a 22Lr Subsonic solid. I tried a lot of ammo & my Brno likes the RWS Club Solid so i bought 1000. But killing performance will be lacking I guess. The few rabbits I have shot the bullet passed through.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 14 Oct 2022, 1:27 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Thx Laz,
Id certainly be interested if you do a 22Lr Subsonic solid. I tried a lot of ammo & my Brno likes the RWS Club Solid so i bought 1000. But killing performance will be lacking I guess. The few rabbits I have shot the bullet passed through.


The only sub solids I have are Lapua Center X target rounds and I haven't bothered to test them.
I think I might, no promises, have some Aguila Super Extra in the rimfire safe. They aren't subs though.
I'll have a dig and see what I can do for you :drinks:
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Harronek » 14 Oct 2022, 2:00 pm

What distance are you shooting the Gel at ?
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by bladeracer » 14 Oct 2022, 2:00 pm

Lazarus wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Thx Laz,
Id certainly be interested if you do a 22Lr Subsonic solid. I tried a lot of ammo & my Brno likes the RWS Club Solid so i bought 1000. But killing performance will be lacking I guess. The few rabbits I have shot the bullet passed through.


The only sub solids I have are Lapua Center X target rounds and I haven't bothered to test them.
I think I might, no promises, have some Aguila Super Extra in the rimfire safe. They aren't subs though.
I'll have a dig and see what I can do for you :drinks:


Have you already done a thread about making, storing and reusing the gel, Laz?
I looked at working with gel a couple years ago and it was just going to be an expensive chore (the gel powder is expensive). Buying Clear Ballistics stuff made more sense, it is fairly expensive but lasts essentially forever without refrigeration and you can use it with virtually no preparation time. I thought it would be useful to test say ten different 7mm bullets at 200m velocities and determine which might be better suited to rabbits and foxes and which might better suit deer or goats. And to determine the lowest velocities the bullets need to function upon impact. But for testing hunting bullets you really need to be testing at terminal velocities rather than muzzle velocities. If you reload then it's fairly easy to test reduced loads at close range to replicate terminal velocities at longer ranges.

I just noticed that OSA are now the importers for Clear Ballistics.
https://www.osaaustralia.com.au/products/accessories/ballistics-gel/ballistics-gel-fbi-block/
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Oldbloke » 14 Oct 2022, 2:03 pm

Lazarus wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Thx Laz,
Id certainly be interested if you do a 22Lr Subsonic solid. I tried a lot of ammo & my Brno likes the RWS Club Solid so i bought 1000. But killing performance will be lacking I guess. The few rabbits I have shot the bullet passed through.


The only sub solids I have are Lapua Center X target rounds and I haven't bothered to test them.
I think I might, no promises, have some Aguila Super Extra in the rimfire safe. They aren't subs though.
I'll have a dig and see what I can do for you :drinks:


They will certainly give me a good idea. I suspect they will not deform.

Interestingly I was told that just flattening the tip a little can make a difference but no way to test.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 14 Oct 2022, 2:24 pm

@ OB
Sorry mate, the only round nose subs I have are the Aguila 60gn telephone poles and all I can get from them are keyholes.

@ Harroneck
G'day
The .22lr@ 50 and 75m
The centrefires at 100m and I'm just starting on 200m, then I'll move it out to 300.

@Blade

I looked at the clear synthetic gel but the price put me off so I used food grade gelatin powder which cost me $100 for 5x600g tins.
I made the gell up on 22nd July.
I initially had some mould and fungus problems when the weather put things on hold but on the next remelting after discovering that I increased the melt temperature to 70°C and added 10ml of clove oil to the full batch.
There hasn't been anything but the tiniest of surface only invasions since and I've dealt with them by wiping down with commercial sodium hypochlorite mould spray.

I really wanted to get a gell torso like those used in "Forged in Fire", but they are only available in the US.
We're not allowed such things in Nannyland FFS.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by bladeracer » 14 Oct 2022, 3:04 pm

Lazarus wrote:I looked at the clear synthetic gel but the price put me off so I used food grade gelatin powder which cost me $100 for 5x600g tins.
I made the gell up on 22nd July.
I initially had some mould and fungus problems when the weather put things on hold but on the next remelting after discovering that I increased the melt temperature to 70°C and added 10ml of clove oil to the full batch.
There hasn't been anything but the tiniest of surface only invasions since and I've dealt with them by wiping down with commercial sodium hypochlorite mould spray.

I really wanted to get a gell torso like those used in "Forged in Fire", but they are only available in the US.
We're not allowed such things in Nannyland FFS.


Wow, you're doing okay to have gel last this long.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Harronek » 14 Oct 2022, 6:34 pm

Cool ,

It drives me nuts watching YouTube vids of Gel test and they shoot them at point blank range .
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 14 Oct 2022, 6:59 pm

Harronek wrote:Cool ,

It drives me nuts watching YouTube vids of Gel test and they shoot them at point blank range .


Me too, how is that indicative of anything realistic?

I was considering trying to use a skin analogue, but everything I could think of would create extraneous debris.
Removing the debris during melting was no issue but it would make differentiation from bullet fragments impossible for photos.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 15 Oct 2022, 11:18 am

Oldbloke wrote:
Lazarus wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Thx Laz,
Id certainly be interested if you do a 22Lr Subsonic solid. I tried a lot of ammo & my Brno likes the RWS Club Solid so i bought 1000. But killing performance will be lacking I guess. The few rabbits I have shot the bullet passed through.


The only sub solids I have are Lapua Center X target rounds and I haven't bothered to test them.
I think I might, no promises, have some Aguila Super Extra in the rimfire safe. They aren't subs though.
I'll have a dig and see what I can do for you :drinks:


They will certainly give me a good idea. I suspect they will not deform.

Interestingly I was told that just flattening the tip a little can make a difference but no way to test.


Sorry for the delay in answering this one OB, I missed it.

I did a test with hollow points, both sub and HV, where I had cut the tops to try to replicate segmened .22lr as I haven't been able to get any.

In both cases the modification broke small sections off on entry and prevented expansion and causing similar overpenetrating as with solids.
Hope that answers your query.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by bladeracer » 15 Oct 2022, 4:44 pm

Lazarus wrote:I was considering trying to use a skin analogue, but everything I could think of would create extraneous debris.
Removing the debris during melting was no issue but it would make differentiation from bullet fragments impossible for photos.


Can you get latex sheet?
Years ago a physiotherapist gave me some exercise bands that are latex, about four-inches wide and a couple meters long. That might be alright to wrap a block with, though I doubt it would actually replicate skin of any animal, except perhaps a rabbit. Skin is pretty tough I've found. Paul Harrel just uses op-shop leather jackets to replicate skin, probably as effective as anything else you'll find. Fashion leather is very thin stuff, racing stuff is going to be a lot tougher. "Skin" has enormous variation. Human skin, including the layer of subcutaneous matter, can be quite thick in places, and very, very thin in others, I would guess animals have even wider variation.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 15 Oct 2022, 4:59 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Lazarus wrote:I was considering trying to use a skin analogue, but everything I could think of would create extraneous debris.
Removing the debris during melting was no issue but it would make differentiation from bullet fragments impossible for photos.


Can you get latex sheet?
Years ago a physiotherapist gave me some exercise bands that are latex, about four-inches wide and a couple meters long. That might be alright to wrap a block with, though I doubt it would actually replicate skin of any animal, except perhaps a rabbit. Skin is pretty tough I've found. Paul Harrel just uses op-shop leather jackets to replicate skin, probably as effective as anything else you'll find. Fashion leather is very thin stuff, racing stuff is going to be a lot tougher. "Skin" has enormous variation. Human skin, including the layer of subcutaneous matter, can be quite thick in places, and very, very thin in others, I would guess animals have even wider variation.


As above, my biggest worry with adding a skin analogue is extraneous debris in the photos.

I don't really think anything I could add would offer enough quantifiable information, at my available level of investigation, to make it worth doing.

I'm trying to operate as much as possible on the KISS principle.
I am, after all, someone who can hide their own easter eggs :drinks:
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by bladeracer » 18 Oct 2022, 3:00 pm

bladeracer wrote:I just noticed that OSA are now the importers for Clear Ballistics.
https://www.osaaustralia.com.au/products/accessories/ballistics-gel/ballistics-gel-fbi-block/
The 10% FBI gel block is currently A$360 delivered from the US, I have just emailed OSA for a local price.


OSA got back to me just now.
They haven't actually set a retail price yet but he's expecting it'll be around $325 plus postage.
So basically the same price as ordering it direct from the US.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 18 Oct 2022, 3:31 pm

I did another test today and I think it might be the last, the jelly is starting to deteriorate.

If I put enough water back in to bring it to the original volume it's too fragile to handle and if I reduce the water content it becomes tougher but brittle.

I fired a 62gn TAP into it from 200m and by the time I got it back to the house it had split in halves along the bullet path.
It was good while it lasted.

To make matters worse Hughie's fixing to get all biblical again with the BOM predicting thunderstorms here from tomorrow to at least Sunday so.......
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 28 Oct 2022, 8:23 am

For anyone interested in the REXEM 62gn F-Bombs, I received an email from James today telling me he's just got a shipment of them come in and has a large number of back orders.
I'm putting my order in the queue, anyone wanting some had better get a wriggle on.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 04 Nov 2022, 8:49 am

Got an email from James yesterday, the F-Bombs have arrived and are in stock.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Cooper » 02 Dec 2022, 7:24 pm

Lazarus wrote:Got an email from James yesterday, the F-Bombs have arrived and are in stock.


I ordered 200 hundreds 62gr F-bombs today. I’ll be trying them in 1-9 twist Howa mini action and my 1-9 twist CZ527. I normally run the Hornady 62gr TAP in the Howa as my Hunting bullet. Will be interesting to to see how the Remex go. I can sense it might be Christmas or after before I test them. But I will post up some groups when I do.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 03 Dec 2022, 8:29 am

Cooper wrote:
Lazarus wrote:Got an email from James yesterday, the F-Bombs have arrived and are in stock.


I ordered 200 hundreds 62gr F-bombs today. I’ll be trying them in 1-9 twist Howa mini action and my 1-9 twist CZ527. I normally run the Hornady 62gr TAP in the Howa as my Hunting bullet. Will be interesting to to see how the Remex go. I can sense it might be Christmas or after before I test them. But I will post up some groups when I do.



You should be happy with them Cooper.
My 24" Howa 9 twist gave me this group at 100 without any load development
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They hit like a runaway train.

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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Dec 2022, 1:05 pm

What did they come out of?
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 03 Dec 2022, 1:27 pm

Oldbloke wrote:What did they come out of?


10% concentration ballistic gel.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Oldbloke » 14 Dec 2022, 1:26 pm

This may be of interest. I have about 50 of these. Accounted for a couple of nuisance cats about 25 years ago. :)

About 5 minutes In they some gelatine testing.

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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by christopher » 23 Dec 2022, 12:42 pm

Lazarus wrote:I have been doing some ballistic gel testing of various projectiles over the last month or so, from .22lr to .223 and 12g.

I have just completed testing the REXEM 62gn F-Bombs.

I was impressed with the damage that OO buckshot did to my 30kg gel block from 20m, it split it in two.

I have seen nothing that comes close to the damage these REXEM F-Bombs do though, they destroyed the block completely.

My first pleasant surprise was how accurate they are.
I didn't bother looking for the "ideal" load, just put the minimum, 23gn of 2206H under them and got the 5 round group below at 100m.
The flyer is doubtless my doing.
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I did two tests, in the first test the block was somewhat dehydrated from sitting for over a week waiting for a break in the rain and I attributed the extra damage to brittleness from dehydration.
The results were quite impressive as below, with the projectile expanding explosively on impact and leaving a 20cm permanent wound cavity and the main body of the projectile travelling 36cm into the 41cm long block.

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After rehydrating the block and giving it 2 days to set, I tested again today.

I didn't think I could have been more impressed than with the last result, but today's blew both the block and me away.
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These are the most accurate and destructive projectiles I've ever used and I can't recommend them them highly enough.

Thanks to James at REXEM for providing the projectiles for this test and kudos for creating something so astounding.

Thanks for posting the results. Iam about to load some for group testing.
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Oldbloke » 23 Dec 2022, 12:51 pm

Lazarus wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Thx Laz,
Id certainly be interested if you do a 22Lr Subsonic solid. I tried a lot of ammo & my Brno likes the RWS Club Solid so i bought 1000. But killing performance will be lacking I guess. The few rabbits I have shot the bullet passed through.


The only sub solids I have are Lapua Center X target rounds and I haven't bothered to test them.
I think I might, no promises,
have some Aguila Super Extra in the rimfire safe. They aren't subs though.
I'll have a dig and see what I can do for you :drinks:


Laz, did you ever test them?
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 23 Dec 2022, 1:46 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
Lazarus wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Thx Laz,
Id certainly be interested if you do a 22Lr Subsonic solid. I tried a lot of ammo & my Brno likes the RWS Club Solid so i bought 1000. But killing performance will be lacking I guess. The few rabbits I have shot the bullet passed through.


The only sub solids I have are Lapua Center X target rounds and I haven't bothered to test them.
I think I might, no promises,
have some Aguila Super Extra in the rimfire safe. They aren't subs though.
I'll have a dig and see what I can do for you :drinks:


Laz, did you ever test them?



G'day OB

No mate, I got busy and while I was looking the other way, the moulds and fungi had evolved resistance to the clove oil preservative in the jelly and turned it into something with all the charm of a month old corpse.

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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Oldbloke » 23 Dec 2022, 4:38 pm

what can I say

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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 23 Dec 2022, 7:52 pm

When the snot monsters had turned the block into a fragrant syrup, I poured it down the toilet.

Then I started wondering what it might evolve into in my septic tank. :unknown:
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Re: REXEM 62 & 69gn 223

Post by Lazarus » 11 Nov 2023, 8:48 am

I received a supply of projectiles from James at Rexem yesterday, to start some more gel tests on the 69, 77, and 80gn versions.

Since last testing, I've run out of 2206H and am using 2208.
I can't, however, find any load data for 77s using 2208.

Has anyone loaded 77s with 08?
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