Cost of powder

[6878mm]

Does anybody have an idea of how much would be a fair price to pay for powder
I havebeen offered a 2kg container of AS50, unopened
I have seen this stuff up to $1200,
I know that shotgun powder is non existant, I just want to know a fair price

[animalpest]

Cost is what your willing to pay

[Billo]

Yeap unfortunately we are in a sellers market

I moved on 3 bottle of pistol powder last year doubled my money.

I think those that triple and quadruple are entitled to feel a little guilty but it is what it is.

Now who wants to sell me some cheap LR primers .....

[No1Mk3]

The common rip-off price for pistol/shotgun powder is $400/kg, some muppets are gouging for more than that and a (very) few more ethical people are selling for around $140/kg. I recently bought a 2kg bottle of AP70 for $220 and a couple of singles of AS30N for $90 each. I won't pay the going rate of $200/500g bottle as it only encourages the swine and I can find cheap factory ammo at a price that almost negates the time and cost of reloading at those component prices.

[6878mm]

Yes I kind of realise allof this
It seems I have 2 options, take it or leave it
$1000 was the asking price, it is about the going rate

[Lazarus]

It's not just powder, it's everything.

I was reading this morning that it's companies price gouging that is behind the inflation spike not wage growth like the gummint and companies like to pretend it is.

Pretty much a no brainer, I know, nobody's wages are rising except top execs, but the jump in profits has been obscene, particularly with banks and the 2 big supermarket chains.

Due to oligopolies in both, there is no longer a supply/demand influence on prices, they decide how much they can gouge and we have to suck on it.

[Oldbloke]

It's not just powder, it's everything.

I was reading this morning that it's companies price gouging that is behind the inflation spike not wage growth like the gummint and companies like to pretend it is.

Pretty much a no brainer, I know, nobody's wages are rising except top execs, but the jump in profits has been obscene, particularly with banks and the 2 big supermarket chains.

Due to oligopolies in both, there is no longer a supply/demand influence on prices, they decide how much they can gouge and we have to suck on it.

Nothing new there. Been happening for 20 years.

[Bravs]

Where are you located? My old man has some for sale.

Does anybody have an idea of how much would be a fair price to pay for powder
I havebeen offered a 2kg container of AS50, unopened
I have seen this stuff up to $1200,
I know that shotgun powder is non existant, I just want to know a fair price

[deye243]

Seeing the price of vectan I would say a fair price for the as50 would be somewhere between 400 and $500

[rc42]

The worst side of capitalism, when something is hard to find it's worth whatever somebody is willing to pay for it.

However, shotshell currently cost about $120 per slab of 250, each shell will contain about 20 grains (probably more) of fast powder which will be similar to AS50.
So, your $120 will get you 5,000 grains which is about 330g. That's $360 per kg if you're willing to spend the time cutting them open.

Anyone paying more than that is either seriously in need of that exact powder, very short on spare time, or an idiot.

[deye243]

I have been stripping shotgun shells for quite a while the trap load of 1 oz shot at around 1300fps has a powder with a burning rate of around as30 which is pretty useless in a lot of handgun calibers it is pretty damn good in a 38 special with the HBWC hunting loads are around the as50 yeah and the heavier loads with 1 1/8 at around 1350 they are using a powder roughly a smidgen slower than ap70 then you have those Eley Alphamax Magnum loads with 42 grams of shot forget the speed that stuff has more than 30 grains of a powder as slow as ap100. Anyway I'm done with stripping powders brought a heap of vectan today that will see me out until I can get something better with the next shipment .

[straightshooter]

The worst side of capitalism, when something is hard to find it's worth whatever somebody is willing to pay for it.

That unfortunately is true of all the 'isms when it comes to trade between individuals in an environment of scarcity, except in the minds of the properly indoctrinated.
If basic economics were still taught in school to attentive pupils then there would be no problem with a general understanding of the law of supply and demand.
Put crudely it translates as 'I got it, you want it, how much you willing to pay'.
My life experience has informed me that those that loudly bleat about 'rip offs' often behave differently when the boot is on the other foot.

[The Shoota]

Seeing the price of vectan I would say a fair price for the as50 would be somewhere between 400 and $500

Where did you see the price for Vectan please ? I am on the list but haven't heard a word since I submitted the EOI

[deye243]

It is in Victoria so pointless for you price was AO $110 ba10 145$ ba 6.5 $145 all 500g plastic bottles .

[mickb]

well we just closed world economy down for virus, that even if everyone got it was still 3x less likely to kill a westerner in his life than being too fat and having crap arteries,cancer, diabetes risk etc. I guess if you want to lock down to save grandma fine, just dont complain when you and your kids pay the inflationary bill afterwards.

Regards the supply chain,-every big companies nose was, and still is pretty much in the trough. Which is why the consumer price index graph went from the gentle sloping line it should be, to now looking like the ski jump at the friggin winter olympics. And the net worth of the worlds richest climbed at exactly the same gradient. Amazing coincidence...

What we get now is anywhere from 10 years+ inflation until we claw fair markets back. Thats if we are lucky. If we are unlucky they just keep all the money.

[Diamond Jim]

It's not just powder. I'm not aware of a lead shortage but 500 cast lead projectiles today cost $78 - that's more than double I was paying just two or three years ago. Same thing with powder before the current ADI mess as well as primers - I baulked when small pistol primers hit $50 /1000 now they are selling well over twice that. What suppliers and sellers need to know is that if they price their customers out of the market and we all take up fishing instead they will be out of business.

[wanneroo]

At least on firearms stuff I am seeing a leveling out of prices here in the USA. The average consumer is getting more and more tapped out by the month. I saw recently most firearms companies have seen drops of 25% in sales in the past year over 2021.

Powder now is more widely available and also in many different varieties and brands, as well as primers. I think going into the summer and beyond if sales really slow down more, we could see stock start to pile up and might see some sales with price drops on reloading components.

Companies that are importing such components and things like powder and primers to Australia should start to have reduced issues in sourcing what they need to supply their customers.