tuknal wrote:ive tried to get the factory load and ive had no luck and at that price think id rather reload it
it might be easier buying a 300 blackout or 38/357 levergun for quick second shots
these will be use with a suppressor for close in contract work
Mate an advantage of the pistol action calibres is 357 or even 44mag have multiple bullet options that expand subsonically. and even for non expanding bullets they leave a much bigger hole than .30 cal. There are much less options in 30 cal and usually fairly specialised bullets. Of course the problem with pistol carts is no powder left to load them. But you can harvest the powder from field shotshells and it works out at about $150 a pound which is double what powder used to be but a lot better than it goes for if you can find it. Also the grains needed for sub loads are minimal, 5-6 grains type thing so you get 1200+ rounds per lb of powder.
I know a guy using supressors and 44 cal wadcutters seated out to cull deer and says its quite effective.
On a side note not all 357 and 44 jacketed bullets will expand subsonically. A lot of bullets and even loads for the 38 special and 44 special( the slower, older, shorter versions of 357 mag and 44 mag which fire in the same chambers) often have the magnum bullets loaded in them by the manufacture without any expectation for the to expand. A short list of jacketed bullets that expand in these calibres subsonically below
357
Remington Golden Sabre, 125gn BJHP, expands down to 850fps impact
Speer gold dot 135 grain Short barrel JHO, expands down to 875fps impact
Remington 125grain SJHP( as loaded in their 38 special UMC bulk ammo) expands down to about 975fps impact
Barnes 110gn Tac-XP expands around 1000fps impact
Hornady 158XTP, doesnt expand so much as get some nose flattening to 50cal at about 1000fps impact
44
Speer Gold Dot 200 grain Short barrel , expands down to about 800fps impact
Barnes 200 grain Tax-XP, expands at around 1000fps impact
Hornady 200 XTP, expands about 975-1000fps impact
Worth noting also if you are selecting Hornady XTP bullets in any pistol calibre, ignore the velocity envelope guideline Hornady has on the website, their figures are complete BS. For example the 110 xt0, 125xtp, 140 xtp and 180xtp all way too tought to expand subsonically.