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Post by Oldbloke » 19 Jan 2024, 1:16 pm

Web site lists many powders, what there use is and where they are made.

https://www.theballisticassistant.com/p ... cription-2
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Post by flashman » 20 Jan 2024, 7:21 am

Hay OB notice some of Hodgdon powders are made in Australia and carn"t get any........... :shock:
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Post by Oldbloke » 20 Jan 2024, 9:47 am

Yes, ADI has provided them with a few powders for long time, just a label swap.

But the powders we can't get our hands on are not available in US either.

That site has nothing to do with availability. Just what they are used for and manufacture localities.
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Post by bladeracer » 20 Jan 2024, 10:28 am

flashman wrote:Hay OB notice some of Hodgdon powders are made in Australia and can't get any........... :shock:


Hodgdon don't make powders, they buy powders from other manufacturers and rebrand them. Most of the ADI powders are rebranded as Hodgdon for sale in the US. ADI makes their powders here as well as at General Dynamics in Canada. Hodgdon also bought IMR and rebranded some of their powders - IMR4198 is AR2207 for example.

I _think_ all of the fast double-base powders (using nitroglycerine) were only being made here in Oz, which is why they're not available in the US anymore either.

This is my list of ADI's powders in the US (the ones in bold are "discontinued" while ADI works up their new single-base formulas for them):
Trailboss - Trailboss
AS30N - Clays
AS50N - International
AP70N - Universal
AP100 - IMR SR4756?
AR2205 - H4227

AR2207 - IMR4198
AR2219 - H322
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BM8208 - IMR8208XBR
AR2206H - H4895
AR2208 - Varget
AR2209 - H4350
AR2213SC - H4831
AR2217 - H1000
AR2225 - Retumbo
AR2218 - H50BMG
AR2210 - H322
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Post by Jackaroo » 20 Jan 2024, 1:58 pm

One thing to remember with AS30N - Clays is that there are a number of powders with 'Clays' in the name. There's about 4 off the top of my head.
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Post by Oldbloke » 20 Jan 2024, 2:05 pm

[quote="bladeracer"]
Trailboss - Trailboss
AS30N - Clays
AS50N - International
AP70N - Universal
AP100 - IMR SR4756?
AR2205 - H4227

AR2207 - IMR4198
AR2219 - H322
Benchmark 2 - Benchmark
BM8208 - IMR8208XBR
AR2206H - H4895
AR2208 - Varget
AR2209 - H4350
AR2213SC - H4831
AR2217 - H1000
AR2225 - Retumbo
AR2218 - H50BMG
AR2210 - H322[/quote]

H322 gets mentioned twice?
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Post by Oldbloke » 20 Jan 2024, 2:10 pm

I've had this for a while. Not certain of its accuracy tho.

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Post by bladeracer » 20 Jan 2024, 9:13 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
Trailboss - Trailboss
AS30N - Clays
AS50N - International
AP70N - Universal
AP100 - IMR SR4756?
AR2205 - H4227

AR2207 - IMR4198
AR2219 - H322
Benchmark 2 - Benchmark
BM8208 - IMR8208XBR
AR2206H - H4895
AR2208 - Varget
AR2209 - H4350
AR2213SC - H4831
AR2217 - H1000
AR2225 - Retumbo
AR2218 - H50BMG
AR2210 - H322[/quote]

H322 gets mentioned twice?


Yes, sorry. I picked up a mention of H322 being the old AR2210 but never spent time checking into its validity. Pretty old discontinued powder so can be ignored anyway.
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Post by Wyliecoyote » 21 Jan 2024, 11:58 am

AR2210 is the powder used in aussie made 5.56 ammo. It is or rather was rebadged as 8208 which like 2206H we are unlikely to see for a very long time.
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Post by bladeracer » 21 Jan 2024, 12:51 pm

Wyliecoyote wrote:AR2210 is the powder used in aussie made 5.56 ammo. It is or rather was rebadged as 8208 which like 2206H we are unlikely to see for a very long time.


BM8208 and AR2206H are still in production as far as I'm aware.
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Post by Oldbloke » 21 Jan 2024, 12:55 pm

I hear of a lot of 2206H being used. So, I "assumed" it was still available/being made..

2208 is certainly being made.

Sooo, does anyone know what's still being made and sold?
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Post by Wyliecoyote » 22 Jan 2024, 7:24 am

bladeracer wrote:
Wyliecoyote wrote:AR2210 is the powder used in aussie made 5.56 ammo. It is or rather was rebadged as 8208 which like 2206H we are unlikely to see for a very long time.


BM8208 and AR2206H are still in production as far as I'm aware.


They sure are. Problem is that ADI is about 8 years behind production for munitions in US and other countries. We are not likely to see it for a very long time. I reckon 2208 will follow suit very quickly as it was used for US 308 ammo but was replaced with Re15 a few years ago. With demand so high and Biden sending US reserve off to Ukraine, they will be looking to whatever they can get.
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Post by bladeracer » 22 Jan 2024, 11:12 am

Wyliecoyote wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
Wyliecoyote wrote:AR2210 is the powder used in aussie made 5.56 ammo. It is or rather was rebadged as 8208 which like 2206H we are unlikely to see for a very long time.


BM8208 and AR2206H are still in production as far as I'm aware.


They sure are. Problem is that ADI is about 8 years behind production for munitions in US and other countries. We are not likely to see it for a very long time. I reckon 2208 will follow suit very quickly as it was used for US 308 ammo but was replaced with Re15 a few years ago. With demand so high and Biden sending US reserve off to Ukraine, they will be looking to whatever they can get.


Dealers are still getting the common rifle powders as far as I'm aware. AR2208 was specified for a 5.56x45mm NATO load at one point but the last spec sheet I saw allowed alternatives that gave similar performance.
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Post by mickb » 23 Jan 2024, 11:32 am

Wyliecoyote wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
Wyliecoyote wrote:AR2210 is the powder used in aussie made 5.56 ammo. It is or rather was rebadged as 8208 which like 2206H we are unlikely to see for a very long time.


BM8208 and AR2206H are still in production as far as I'm aware.


They sure are. Problem is that ADI is about 8 years behind production for munitions in US and other countries. We are not likely to see it for a very long time. I reckon 2208 will follow suit very quickly as it was used for US 308 ammo but was replaced with Re15 a few years ago. With demand so high and Biden sending US reserve off to Ukraine, they will be looking to whatever they can get.


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