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.303-25

Post by bladeracer » 11 Aug 2024, 4:55 pm

Bought Rose a nicely-sporterised 1941 No.1MkIII Lithgow.
Very cheap because it's chambered in .303-25 and it seems reloading is still too difficult for most people.
I've never owned a .25-cal but I figured the place to find data would be Nick Harvey's first Edition.
The data are a bit odd though.
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For AR2206H (H4895) he has 33gn/2820fps to 35gn/2900fps with 87gn bullets, but for 120gn bullets his data are 34gn/2560fps to 35.5gn/2660fps. You wouldn't generally expect to increase the powder charge behind 50% heavier bullets. My copy has an errata sheet pasted on the front page - it doesn't include .303-25. Interestingly, whoever owned it before me has noted on the .303-25 page "31gn to 34gn of 4064 with 87gn" bullets, which could be an errata note.

Harvey's starting load with 87gn bullets in an SMLE is 29.7gn of AR2206H (10% less than his start load data). I'm going to start with some 87gn HotCores on 28gn of AR2206H to fireform some brass.

Anybody else shooting .303-25 these days?
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Post by Blr243 » 11 Aug 2024, 5:14 pm

I thought adi still listed data. Seeing as new brass is still available I think that’s the best place to start. . Better than struggling with old brittle over worked beat up ex mil stuff
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Post by bigpete » 11 Aug 2024, 5:51 pm

ADI data is a bit sketchy,they only list max loads for each powder/projectile combination.
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Post by Oldbloke » 11 Aug 2024, 5:55 pm

It does sound suspicious.

I have a lot of data, but nothing on 303.25 I'm afraid.
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Post by bladeracer » 11 Aug 2024, 6:35 pm

Blr243 wrote:I thought adi still listed data. Seeing as new brass is still available I think that’s the best place to start. . Better than struggling with old brittle over worked beat up ex mil stuff


I didn't go back through earlier ADI data but I didn't see anything current online.
I'm forming new .303 brass, I don't mess with old military brass. I'll probably push it through the 7mm-08 die, then the 6.5x50mm die and then I'll feed it through the .303-25 die. I was just going to use a .25-cal die to size the necks and use the .303 die to bump the shoulder as required. But I was surprised to see Rebels had four .303-25 die sets in stock so I ordered one. I've also emailed Bruce Bertram to see if he has any already formed brass in stock.
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Post by bladeracer » 11 Aug 2024, 6:45 pm

bigpete wrote:ADI data is a bit sketchy,they only list max loads for each powder/projectile combination.



I just checked again and there is indeed ADI data there, listed as .25-303. They list a max load of 34gn of AR2206H making 3050fps. They don't list CoAL or pressure though so I think I'll stick with my own experimentation.

I think case capacity is supposed to be around 51gn H2O, and .243 is around 53gn H2O so load data is going to be very similar. It's for close-range fallow and foxes so I don't need 400m performance out of it. And I'll make a subsonic load we can use for dropping cows for the freezer.
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Post by bladeracer » 11 Aug 2024, 6:48 pm

Oldbloke wrote:It does sound suspicious.

I have a lot of data, but nothing on 303.25 I'm afraid.


I can't even find a consensus on what it's called :-)
I've seen .250-.303, .303-25, .25/303 - makes it hard to search for data :-)
I think it's virtually identical to .243Win with similar bullet weights, but I'm working with AR2206H so I'll just start low and work out where I want to go with it.
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Post by Oldbloke » 11 Aug 2024, 6:50 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:It does sound suspicious.

I have a lot of data, but nothing on 303.25 I'm afraid.


I can't even find a consensus on what it's called :-)
I've seen .250-.303, .303-25, .25/303 - makes it hard to search for data :-)
I think it's virtually identical to .243Win with similar bullet weights, but I'm working with AR2206H so I'll just start low and work out where I want to go with it.


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Post by bigpete » 11 Aug 2024, 6:58 pm

Fwiw a mate has one and seems to think its pretty good.
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Post by bladeracer » 11 Aug 2024, 7:46 pm

bigpete wrote:Fwiw a mate has one and seems to think its pretty good.


It looks like it's done a lot of work so I'm hoping it still shoots decently. It's the first firearm we've put on her licence so we have to wait 28 days before they look at the permit. Although the Monte Carlo style stock has been shortened a bit it's still too long for Rose to hold comfortably, so I need to shorten it further. One of the LERAA guys is sending me a tatty SMLE buttstock that I can cut shorter to determine the length we want before I cut up the Monte.

The scope is an old 4-power Bisley which I'm guessing looks like it's from the sixties and it's on a steel one-piece mount screwed to the receiver. I might decide to swap the scope for another old 4-power that I never found a use for.
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Post by bigrich » 11 Aug 2024, 8:37 pm

i've got a mate who's into p14 based 303-25's . he loves them . ADI has a little load data for it . great piece of australian history the 30'- 25
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Post by wrenchman » 12 Aug 2024, 9:24 am

It sounds fun it would be close to the 7mm 08 the way it sounds and would take deer do you intend on hunting with it or just targets
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Post by bladeracer » 12 Aug 2024, 10:01 am

wrenchman wrote:It sounds fun it would be close to the 7mm 08 the way it sounds and would take deer do you intend on hunting with it or just targets


It does seem to be within the realm of .243, .257Bob, 6.5x55mm, and others - 85gn bullets making a little over 3000fps. I think the 7mm-08 has a little more potential. As I said though, I won't be running it hot as it will never be used for long shots, we don't need 400m performance to drop an animal at 50m.

It's for hunting primarily but I'm sure she'll be dinging lots of steel while getting familiar with it. Oddly, it's not set up for any kind of sling. The right side of the scope objective is very heavily rubbed so maybe it lived in a scabbard or just lay in the footwell of the passenger side of a vehicle ready for use. I really don't know its history. It's certainly been busy, but I'm hoping it's not shot out. It's cheap enough that if I need to rebarrel it it still won't break the bank. I don't know who made .25-cal barrels for these things back in the day. It looks like it could be reprofiled including a sort of No.5 Rifle flash hider machined into the profile and a rudimentary front sight blade, but I can't see any attempt to fit any kind of rear sight. I guess there could've been an aperture screwed to the receiver originally that was removed when they decided to scope it.

I chose it because it's a fairly light and compact sporterisation for a couple hundred dollars that I should be able to fit to Rose fairly easily. She's small and even small .22's are not really comfortable for her to shoot offhand, she can't get close enough to the scope for eye relief and has a long and awkward reach to both grips, shooting from a bipod or other supported positions are less of a problem. The high comb and proper pistol grip of the Monte Carlo stock should also help once I shorten it a few inches.

Bruce got back to me that he does have .303-25 brass in stock. I'm not sure I want to pay $150 for a hundred pieces though when I have over a thousand pieces of .303 on hand, so I'll wait for the dies and see how I go forming them first. Definitely going to order his bullets though.
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Post by GQshayne » 15 Aug 2024, 9:02 pm

I have a very old ADI loading book with 25.303 data in it, and it has two sections, one being for an "Improved" P14 action. In this old guide there are no minimum charges listed for any calibre, not even common stuff like .243. Its maximum charges only.

I know nothing about these old actions, so this seems odd to me. The Improved action lists the lesser charges.

Improved P14 Action
87gn projectile AR2206 33gn, AR2208 35gn, AR2209 38.5gn, AR2213 42gn.

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87gn projectile AR2206 34gn, AR2208 37gn, AR2209 41gn.
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Post by bladeracer » 15 Aug 2024, 9:59 pm

GQshayne wrote:I have a very old ADI loading book with 25.303 data in it, and it has two sections, one being for an "Improved" P14 action. In this old guide there are no minimum charges listed for any calibre, not even common stuff like .243. Its maximum charges only.

I know nothing about these old actions, so this seems odd to me. The Improved action lists the lesser charges.

Improved P14 Action
87gn projectile AR2206 33gn, AR2208 35gn, AR2209 38.5gn, AR2213 42gn.

P14 Action
87gn projectile AR2206 34gn, AR2208 37gn, AR2209 41gn.


That wasn't uncommon, Alliant still only lists max charges I think?
It's all in the same ballpark though and I'm starting well below the starting loads I've seen listed.
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Post by bigrich » 16 Aug 2024, 4:07 am

bladeracer wrote:
wrenchman wrote:It sounds fun it would be close to the 7mm 08 the way it sounds and would take deer do you intend on hunting with it or just targets


It does seem to be within the realm of .243, .257Bob, 6.5x55mm, and others - 85gn bullets making a little over 3000fps. I think the 7mm-08 has a little more potential. As I said though, I won't be running it hot as it will never be used for long shots, we don't need 400m performance to drop an animal at 50m.

It's for hunting primarily but I'm sure she'll be dinging lots of steel while getting familiar with it. Oddly, it's not set up for any kind of sling. The right side of the scope objective is very heavily rubbed so maybe it lived in a scabbard or just lay in the footwell of the passenger side of a vehicle ready for use. I really don't know its history. It's certainly been busy, but I'm hoping it's not shot out. It's cheap enough that if I need to rebarrel it it still won't break the bank. I don't know who made .25-cal barrels for these things back in the day. It looks like it could be reprofiled including a sort of No.5 Rifle flash hider machined into the profile and a rudimentary front sight blade, but I can't see any attempt to fit any kind of rear sight. I guess there could've been an aperture screwed to the receiver originally that was removed when they decided to scope it.

I chose it because it's a fairly light and compact sporterisation for a couple hundred dollars that I should be able to fit to Rose fairly easily. She's small and even small .22's are not really comfortable for her to shoot offhand, she can't get close enough to the scope for eye relief and has a long and awkward reach to both grips, shooting from a bipod or other supported positions are less of a problem. The high comb and proper pistol grip of the Monte Carlo stock should also help once I shorten it a few inches.

Bruce got back to me that he does have .303-25 brass in stock. I'm not sure I want to pay $150 for a hundred pieces though when I have over a thousand pieces of .303 on hand, so I'll wait for the dies and see how I go forming them first. Definitely going to order his bullets though.


Back in the day sportco converted a lot of milsurps to 303-25 as a commercial retail thing. They sold a LOT of them. I believe sprinter and madden were also heavily into building/barreling 303-25’s. The biggest problem with wildcat versions of 303’s is there were a lot of “improved” versions. From what I’ve read and been told it was like every second gunsmith was doing their own version. So be wary of improved versions as dies can be impossible to find.
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Post by bladeracer » 16 Aug 2024, 9:58 am

bigrich wrote:Back in the day sportco converted a lot of milsurps to 303-25 as a commercial retail thing. They sold a LOT of them. I believe sprinter and madden were also heavily into building/barreling 303-25’s. The biggest problem with wildcat versions of 303’s is there were a lot of “improved” versions. From what I’ve read and been told it was like every second gunsmith was doing their own version. So be wary of improved versions as dies can be impossible to find.


Hopefully when I drop the forend there might be some info on the barrel.

Yes, I've read that it could be a couple of different types of .25 but that doesn't bother me. Any die that's short enough and wide enough not to foul the body is all I need to neck-size them. If I need to push the shoulder back (very unlikely on a wildcat, they generally move the shoulder well forward) I'll just use the .303 die (7mm-08 or .243 if it's closer to those shoulder angles). You don't need dies for the specific cartridge to be able to use it.
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What it was named is solely dependant on who was naming it, in the early Mulwex load data sheets it is listed as 25-303 AND 303-25! (This lists 33g of 2206 for 87g projectile, no minimum given) Super Cartridge usually placed the 303 - 250 on their ammo boxes, and Cyril Waterworths 1961 load data book calls it 250 - 303, so take your pic mate! I will upload Waterworths page, maybe of some use if you can find equivalents, maybe from the DuPont or Norma data
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Post by bladeracer » 16 Aug 2024, 7:21 pm

No1Mk3 wrote:
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What it was named is solely dependant on who was naming it, in the early Mulwex load data sheets it is listed as 25-303 AND 303-25! (This lists 33g of 2206 for 87g projectile, no minimum given) Super Cartridge usually placed the 303 - 250 on their ammo boxes, and Cyril Waterworths 1961 load data book calls it 250 - 303, so take your pic mate! I will upload Waterworths page, maybe of some use if you can find equivalents, maybe from the DuPont or Norma data


Thanks for this No1Mk3. I'm happy to work up my own load data though. I posted to show that just because data is "published" doesn't make it any more reliable or accurate than load data you got from a mate or an online forum. I'm sure AR2206H will give me a decent deer load, if it doesn't then I'll try some other ADI powders.
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Post by bladeracer » 06 Sep 2024, 9:29 pm

Finally collected the rifle today, and I see that it is a MkIII*.
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Can anybody tell if this is one of the commercial sporters or something somebody has built for themselves?
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Two holes tapped into the right side of the receiver - for an aperture sight perhaps? The Monte Carlo comb feels a little too high for easy iron sight use.
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Anybody know what all those star stampings on the right rear of the receiver indicate?
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Anybody know anything about the 1" Bisley Deluxe 4x32 - might be worth keeping if it shoots okay?
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All looks pretty good underneath. All the screws in the rifle and the scope mount were not even hand tight, one of the front mount screws was backed out nearly 2mm so I think it came loose long ago. Gives me a chance to thoroughly clean it though.
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Post by bladeracer » 07 Sep 2024, 10:54 am

Cleaned and inspected everything last night and reassembled the rifle.
The scope and mount screws are going to be an issue. The loose screw has been loose for a long while and has stripped the threads off the end of it, the screw in front of it was also loose allowing the mount to flex upwards almost 1mm.
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I'll have to measure the thread pitch and run a tap through the holes to try to repair them, and get new screws. The rear of the mount has a shim cut from an aluminium can under it so I suspect the mount wasn't designed for the SMLE. I'm guessing it's some kind of Lynx mount but can't find any info stamped onto it.

The scope isn't too great either but may be usable. The reticle is slightly out of plumb but I'll leave it on for initial testing and swap in one of my AR Optics if it doesn't work. I could swap the PH5 aperture across from the other SMLE if I find the scope/mount won't let it group.

The barrel is a Sportco and says "250/30", I'm guessing it said "250/303" but has been machined away for threading.
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I ended up ordering brass from Bruce Bertram and didn't attempt making them myself. And I have Speer 87gn Hotcor and Bruce's 86gn SP to try out. Bruce's bullet is more of a "protected point" to me as not much lead is exposed.
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Post by Oldbloke » 07 Sep 2024, 11:08 am

Looks like u have a bit of work on your hands.
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Post by bladeracer » 07 Sep 2024, 11:35 am

Oldbloke wrote:Looks like u have a bit of work on your hands.


There will be some effort involved :-)
After confirming that it does actually shoot well, fixing the scope mount is the main thing, then altering the butt stock to fit Rose comfortably. The varnish finish is very poor so scraping it all back and refinishing will make it look 100% better I think, and I may even cold blue the metal.

There is no provision for sling swivels either so I'll have to sort something there.
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Sep 2024, 4:02 pm

I loaded ten rounds with each of the bullets, both on 28gn of AR2206H, the Bertram seated to 2.750", the Speer to 2.800" (the speer is more pointed). This picture shows the marked differences in the shoulder between the original .303 (fireformed in my Lithgow) and the wildcat .25.
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I wanted to put them over the chrono, but the battery was flat and it was getting late, so that'll be for next time. Loads were light, similar to shooting .223 and .243 80gn loads, my seat-of-the-pants guess would be around 2600fps. I set up paper at 50m, boresighted, and fired a five-round group with the Bertram. The scope has horrible clarity and we couldn't see the 16mm black dots on white paper at 50m despite the 4-power scope, so I made some squares of four dots and nine dots. The four-dot square was barely visible, and the nine-dot square is about the width of the reticle, roughly 50mm at 50m - it's huge and blocks out the aiming dot. The post also rises slightly above the fine horizontal line so holding on the centre of the aiming square entirely blocks out the square. First group was 150mm high and about 50mm.
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There is nothing on the scope about what the clicks are but I gave the dial a couple of turns and fired a similar group with the Speers.
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Made another adjustment and put Rose on the rifle. She shot two similar groups, and we came away pretty happy with the result.
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But the front two screws had hammered themselves loose so the front of the mount was bouncing about 1mm upwards under recoil. We had a play on the gongs with the Henry .22 lever before coming home.

I stripped the scope off again as the screws are rooted. Went into town hoping to get a tap to try to repair the threads, and found some replacement screws floating in the bottom of my dealer's "box of bits". But I can't find a bloody imperial thread gauge to measure the screws :-) The screws though are tiny, about the side of scope ring screws rather than mounting screws. So I'll drill the holes out, tap them with a metric thread, and use larger metric screws.

Doing so much pistol shooting recently, and playing with the Henry whenever we're out in the paddocks, Rose really doesn't like the scope and would prefer an aperture you thinks. I figured I'd transfer the PH5 over from my other rifle for her to try. But there are two holes tapped in the right side of the receiver, so I asked the LERAA guys about them. Seems they're for a Weaver aperture sight, similar to those I run on several of my rifles. And, incredibly, Cleaver still list them, despite it being discontinued by Weaver, and for just $70! I ordered one expecting a message yesterday saying they don't have stock, but lo, it's on its way today! So that'll make Rose very happy. I suspect that fixing the mount and putting a modern scope on it will improve her view of the scope as well, this old Japanese Bisley Deluxe 4x32 is very tough to work with (the reticle is not etched, it's a physical post and wire just in front of the ocular lens housing). I can't see any way to use the aperture with the scope installed, but if it sits up high enough to clear the charger bridge it might be possible to drill holes through the ring posts to make them "see through", but I'll probably have to make a taller front sight as well. 4mm would likely be sufficient which shouldn't weaken them at all. The monte carlo comb feels like it'll be too high for me to get down behind the aperture, but Rose might be fine with her smaller features.

I'm still waiting on the old SMLE butt stock I've ordered from one of the LERAA guys as I don't want to start cutting the monte carlo yet.

Now, if you look closely at the pic of the loaded rounds, you'll probably notice that the bullets are not standing like soldiers on parade, they look more like NAAFI workers on a smoko break. The Simplex dies are garbage, in my opinion, a complete waste of money. You'd get much nicer results with a set of Lee's cheap RGB .257 Roberts dies (if you're concerned about the .012" slack around the case head just put an o-ring over your brass to centre it when running it into the dies). Since you also need a very difficult to find thread adapter to use the Simplex dies in a proper press, it makes the die set more than twice the price of the Lee dies. The Simplex dies do not encapsulate the entire cartridge case, to keep the case head centred along the vertical axis while you work with the top of the cartridge. This allows the case head to move in the shell holder (the Simplex shell holder is of no use in a proper press). Which means that when decapping the brass, the decapping pin does not travel straight down and automatically enter the flash hole, you have to ensure the case is properly centred in the shell holder, or you are likely to break the decapping pin. I decapped two before breaking the pin, with no noticeable additional pressure to indicate an issue, it simply snapped off. So I used the decapping pin from my old .222Rem Lee Loader, but you could remove the pin from a .223 or .22-250 die and use that manually.

Then, when sizing the neck (the Simplex dies only neck-size), if the case is not properly centred in the shell holder you'll see that the necks have been skewed noticeably. The pattern continues when you seat your bullets, and you end up with the most appalling bad ammunition I've ever seen. Rolling them across the benchtop makes your head spin with the lack of concentricity. Additionally, and this may not be an issue if you are using Simplex's own press, the die screws into the thread adaptor, which then screws into the press (or Breechlock interrupted thread adaptor). This means there are two "ledges" within the seating die, that you can't see or feel, but need to feed the bullet up through to reach the seating stem. It might take ten or more attempts before you manage to get the bullet all the way up in there. I would think boat-tail bullets would be less of an issue, but flat-base bullets don't necessarily sit vertically on the case mouth, even with a good chamfer. The next issue is that there is no way to set a consistent seating depth with a proper press. The simplex dies only work the case mouth, but they've made them very short, so the ram will never get anywhere near to bottoming out or "camming over". If they had made the thread adaptor an inch or so longer (and chamfered the bottom of their dies so the brass entered more easily) that would've at least allowed you to set the dies up at the conventional height above the press. So I used the 7mm-08 seating die since it was near to hand, the 6.5x50mm would've been my preferred choice but the 7mm-08 did an adequate job of straightening the bullets, at least to be as good as you can see in the pics.

Amazingly, I went to Lee Precision to order a universal decapping die to avoid the Simplex decapping rubbish, and discovered that Lee offers .303-25 die sets! So I've ordered those, A$130 delivered, though I expect to get a $13 bill for GST when they arrive. The Simplex die set and adapter cost me $170 without including postage for the dies set as I ordered 1000 9mm bullets with it to eat the postage. And the Lee set also full length sizes for bumping the shoulders.

I measured the fire-formed brass against as it came from Bruce. I took a sample of them into the shop and ran them through the rifle before loading to make sure it fit the chamber, one case allowed the bolt to fully close, all the others held the bolt up slightly and needed to be forced down but were usable. The shoulder has blown out to be .002" wider, and backwards .002", making the brass shorter at the shoulder, they chamber perfectly now. And the base of the neck has moved forward .002", reducing the shoulder angle infinitesimally. Bruce did a fair job of trimming them to about 2.215" (they varied from about 2.205" to about 2.218" but most are close to 2.215". After firing they've shrunk back to 2.208"-2.210", and after neck-sizing are back up to 2.220", so there is some elongation there, hopefully it won't be as much as I see with .303 brass though.

The narrower bullets and shorter overall length means they don't fit the magazine very well. Is it possibly the original conversions used a spacer in the rear of the mags to push the ammo forward? The bullets just barely tuck under the front feed lips and like to pop out through the action if you have the bolt open while inserting the mag. Feeding the mag from the top is extraordinarily painful due to a sharp burr on the front edge of the scope mount, I want to grind that away while I have it off. I'll have to try some boat-tail and heavier round-nose bullets to see if that helps with this issue, but I need to measure the twist rate. Spec should be 12" twist, which limits bullet length to little more than 1.100" I think which would rule out the longer bullets.

While I'm sorting the sights out I'll load some more at 30gn of AR2206H and get some velocity data, then I'll load 100rds and have Rose practicing hitting the 120mm gongs randomly placed across the paddock from about 50m to 200m until she can reliably hit them.
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Post by Oldbloke » 10 Sep 2024, 4:43 pm

I would send a pic of the loaded ammo to simplex and ask for a refund. At least let them know your "not happy jan".
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Oldbloke wrote:I would send a pic of the loaded ammo to simplex and ask for a refund. At least let them know your "not happy jan".


I think Simplex are gone now. I think a daughter(?) was intending on keeping it going but I couldn't find a website for them anymore.
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Post by Oldbloke » 10 Sep 2024, 5:12 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:I would send a pic of the loaded ammo to simplex and ask for a refund. At least let them know your "not happy jan".


I think Simplex are gone now. I think a daughter(?) was intending on keeping it going but I couldn't find a website for them anymore.



Can't find them either. So,, as you say, shut up shop.
Bought some bits off them about 2 or 3 years ago. So, fairly recent. I have their O frame press, built like a brick sh1t house. Must be 35 years old. Great press.

Shame, used to be highly regarded.
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Sep 2024, 5:23 pm

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Oldbloke wrote:I would send a pic of the loaded ammo to simplex and ask for a refund. At least let them know your "not happy jan".


I think Simplex are gone now. I think a daughter(?) was intending on keeping it going but I couldn't find a website for them anymore.



Can't find them either. So,, as you say, shut up shop.
Bought some bits off them about 2 or 3 years ago. So, fairly recent. I have their O frame press, built like a brick sh1t house. Must be 35 years old. Great press.

Shame, used to be highly regarded.


I have swapped email with them some time ago though I don't recall what it was about, probably some odd military chambering I was looking at. I've been happy to direct people to Simplex for dies for these old wildcats, and I know lots of people are big fans of Simplex gear. I have to assume they are proprietary and work best with their presses with little regard to the much wider community that don't use their presses. Very likely a thing of the past now anyway. I was amazed to see Lee offer the die set, I wish it had occurred to me to check there first :-)
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Post by Oldbloke » 22 Sep 2024, 12:34 pm

Yep, Simplex have definitely closed up shop.

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Oldbloke wrote:Yep, Simplex have definitely closed up shop.

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It'll be interesting to see if CBE do anything further with it.

I haven't received the Lee die set yet so I'm still loading with other dies.
Got a sling swivel set including a front barrel band swivel and swapped a nice leather sling onto it that came on something else I bought years ago.
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Got a 6-32 tap to try to repair the threads for the scope mount screws. They're very poor but new stainless screws are holding for now. I need to do some more shooting to confirm whether they'll hang on under recoil. I'll be surprised if they do so I'm still expecting I'll have to re-tap them to a larger metric thread. But it lets me mount one of my AR Optics 4.5-18x40's on the rifle for some more accuracy testing. I also got the Williams aperture sight but the holes in the receiver don't line up for it, I'll have to drill and tap a third hole to mount that.
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The Williams has the same issue as the Parker Hale aperture sights, they block removal of the bolt for cleaning. But it does have graduation markings and a set screw so I expect it'll be very simple to slide it off and replace it without losing zero. The scope mounts so low that I can't remove the bolt with the scope mounted either, the bolt head (when it's flicked up for removal) fouls the ocular housing. And it fouls against the aperture so I can't leave the aperture on with the scope. Mildly annoying as Rose seems to prefer the apertures over scopes. I'll use the scope for some load development testing then we'll probably just use the aperture. The scope mount is too tall to use the aperture anyway so I might modify a picatinny rail to go on there instead, that will allow us to mount and dismount the scope as needed.

I've also got 117gn Interlock Round-nose and 117gn FTX bullets to try to see if they sit better in the magazine.
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