358 Win 196gr OEP Giddy up

[Billo]

Just a quick post about the Legendary 358 Winchester cartridge and a new load I'm working on.

Aussie made 196gr 358 Outer Edge projectile with a case full of 2207, maybe just a little compressed.......

[GQshayne]

Should pack a wallop.

[Oldbloke]

Mmmm, interesting cartridge. Would be great upto abt 200yards I guess.
Why the 2207? ADI lists slower powders.

[Billo]

Mmmm, interesting cartridge. Would be great upto abt 250yards I guess.
Why the 2207? ADI lists slower powders.

Previous experience with 2207 and 200gr projectiles so I already know 2700fps plus is achievable with a 20 inch plus barrel, this rifle is a Ruger Hawkeye thats been cut back to a handy 19inches, longer projectile is robbing a smidge of powder capacity so Im hoping 2600 fps is still possible.......

I do have some Reloder 10X on hand if I really want to ramp it up

[bigpete]

358w is a great little cartridge

[bigrich]

I achieved unbelievable accuracy with 2208 and 225 Sierra game kings. Slightly compressed load in resized adi brass. Used to cloverleaf at 100 with a low powered leupold scope. 180gn hornady 180gn xtp hp pistol bullets work good with 2206h . Mind you, my barrel length was 22” . I would suggest BM2 or 2206h in the op’s short barreled rifle. Pigs definitely don’t like this caliber. Cheers

[Larry]

I tried the Outer Edge projectiles and used the load data that he sent with them. This was for a 243 damn the loads were hot over 4000fps but they shot like s**t. I did change the load to test them at a normal speed and they still shot no good. Good luck with them dirty little buggers.

[Billo]

I tried the Outer Edge projectiles and used the load data that he sent with them. This was for a 243 damn the loads were hot over 4000fps but they shot like s**t. I did change the load to test them at a normal speed and they still shot no good. Good luck with them dirty little buggers.

I like to work up my own loads Larry, Ive used the OEP in a few rifles over the last 5 years and everything has been extremely accurate, I loaded some up in a Mates 7mm RM last year and the damn 3 shot group was 0.2moa, and that was from a lightweight fluted barrel.

[Billo]

Pretty happy with the range session at 50m, the Ruger seems to shoot 1/2 inch groups so happy days, loads were on the milder side with speeds of 2530fps recorded, I should be able to stick a bit more powder into the case just not sure I'll get the 2600fps I'd like, a mate suggested trying 2219.....

[Oldbloke]

Pretty happy with the range session at 50m, the Ruger seems to shoot 1/2 inch groups so happy days, loads were on the milder side with speeds of 2530fps recorded, I should be able to stick a bit more powder into the case just not sure I'll get the 2600fps I'd like, a mate suggested trying 2219.....

Yeh, you had me. Simplistically looking at ADI data 2600 seemed very optimistic. 30.06 won't do much more and a big difference in case capacity.

Yep, perhaps try 2208 or 2206H. Plenty of 2208 about.

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[bigrich]

the 358win is a good round with great energy transfer with the right projectile , but speed isn't it's strong point . if you want a medium bore with good speed and good projectile choice for lighter game build a 35 whelen . trajectory is about the same as 308win . from my experience a 358 is about a 200 meter gun before the trajectory and energy really drop off . i've heard various things about OEP , their not for me . get onto cleavers and buy up 225 sierra game kings . you'll thank me when you see what they do . cheers

[Billo]

the 358win is a good round with great energy transfer with the right projectile , but speed isn't it's strong point . if you want a medium bore with good speed and good projectile choice for lighter game build a 35 whelen . trajectory is about the same as 308win . from my experience a 358 is about a 200 meter gun before the trajectory and energy really drop off . i've heard various things about OEP , their not for me . get onto cleavers and buy up 225 sierra game kings . you'll thank me when you see what they do . cheers

Hey bigrich the 358 Win is generally underloaded, Ive owned more than a few of them and have 2 in the safe. If you're willing to use a fast enough powder then speed aint an issue. 200gr at 2700fps is no slouch and right around factory 35 Whelen loads. I've had Barnes projectiles fail to expand on game cause when you swag copper you end up with a hard tip. Ive used OEP in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7mm and 308 and accuracy sure aint an issue. With Barnes now $130/50 using an OEP is a no brainer. BC of the OEP 196gr is 0.350, thats damn good for a 200gr projectile. Im sure a 225gr Sierra would get the job done but heavier mean more recoil so I'll pass and more drop at longer rangers

[bigrich]

the 358win is a good round with great energy transfer with the right projectile , but speed isn't it's strong point . if you want a medium bore with good speed and good projectile choice for lighter game build a 35 whelen . trajectory is about the same as 308win . from my experience a 358 is about a 200 meter gun before the trajectory and energy really drop off . i've heard various things about OEP , their not for me . get onto cleavers and buy up 225 sierra game kings . you'll thank me when you see what they do . cheers

Hey bigrich the 358 Win is generally underloaded, Ive owned more than a few of them and have 2 in the safe. If you're willing to use a fast enough powder then speed aint an issue. 200gr at 2700fps is no slouch and right around factory 35 Whelen loads. I've had Barnes projectiles fail to expand on game cause when you swag copper you end up with a hard tip. Ive used OEP in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7mm and 308 and accuracy sure aint an issue. With Barnes now $130/50 using an OEP is a no brainer. BC of the OEP 196gr is 0.350, thats damn good for a 200gr projectile. Im sure a 225gr Sierra would get the job done but heavier mean more recoil so I'll pass and more drop at longer rangers

i'm not a fan of barnes , although they worked well in my 9.3x62 on buff . been told by gunsmiths about barnes bullets swaging up rifle barrels on lightly barrelled guns like winchester featherweights which destroyed their accuracy. oep are also solid copper bullets , so i'll pass on them . if they're working well for you that's good . 2208 gave me great accuracy in 358 with the sierras , groups at 100 were cloverleaf's . but you can only fit so much 2208 in the case . i'm surprised your using 2207 in yours , i suppose if it's working with no pressure signs , why not . have you contacted ADI regarding 2207 ? i'd be curious to hear their opinion on this . full copper bullets tend to pressure spike quicker than jacketed lead bullets i believe, not trying to rain on your parade mate , but be careful . i went back to plain old 308 as for what i hunt it's plenty . if i build another medium bore it'll be a 35 whelen . case capacity is generous and you can push it harder speed wise than the 358win if needed . i tend to find middle of the road loads for my rifles these days , as long as they're accurate . not into stressing my rifle or brass

[Billo]

Bigrich I'm only using 2207 because thats what I had on hand, its fast enough and it works OK without running into big pressure spikes. I have 2/3 cup of Reloder 10x but Ill be left frustrated, because if I use that the new replacement stock R10x is now $150/lb, I can get 1Kg of 2219 for $160. 2219 sounds like an interesting powder !

The 35 Whelen is a fine cartridge no doubt and my cousin has been sitting on an unfired Ruger 77 Blued Walnut Whelen for about a decade that I could have bought but I prefer Short action rifles and cartridges these days and they need to be stainless.

[Oldbloke]

Bigrich I'm only using 2207 because thats what I had on hand, its fast enough and it works OK without running into big pressure spikes. I have 2/3 cup of Reloder 10x but Ill be left frustrated, because if I use that the new replacement stock R10x is now $150/lb, I can get 1Kg of 2219 for $160. 2219 sounds like an interesting powder !

The 35 Whelen is a fine cartridge no doubt and my cousin has been sitting on an unfired Ruger 77 Blued Walnut Whelen for about a decade that I could have bought but I prefer Short action rifles and cartridges these days and they need to be stainless.

Why the hell would he do that?

[Billo]

Bigrich I'm only using 2207 because thats what I had on hand, its fast enough and it works OK without running into big pressure spikes. I have 2/3 cup of Reloder 10x but Ill be left frustrated, because if I use that the new replacement stock R10x is now $150/lb, I can get 1Kg of 2219 for $160. 2219 sounds like an interesting powder !

The 35 Whelen is a fine cartridge no doubt and my cousin has been sitting on an unfired Ruger 77 Blued Walnut Whelen for about a decade that I could have bought but I prefer Short action rifles and cartridges these days and they need to be stainless.

Why the hell would he do that?

I guess Kids, work and life sometimes doesnt allow 1 to play with his collection of toyz.

[bigrich]

Bigrich I'm only using 2207 because thats what I had on hand, its fast enough and it works OK without running into big pressure spikes. I have 2/3 cup of Reloder 10x but Ill be left frustrated, because if I use that the new replacement stock R10x is now $150/lb, I can get 1Kg of 2219 for $160. 2219 sounds like an interesting powder !

The 35 Whelen is a fine cartridge no doubt and my cousin has been sitting on an unfired Ruger 77 Blued Walnut Whelen for about a decade that I could have bought but I prefer Short action rifles and cartridges these days and they need to be stainless.

I hear ya on stainless, very practical. I have a few stainless tikkas for bad weather. I try to bring my blued walnut rifles out in fine weather. Short action rifles are also practical, not the be all for me though. Let us know how the oep bullets go out of your 358 on your next hunt. Cheers

[bigrich]

Have you tried 357 mag pistol bullets out of your 358 billo? Try the 180gn hornady xtp’s . Try to keep speed around 2600fps otherwise bullet blow up is severe. . Hollow point pistol bullets are dynamite on pigs . Cheers

[Billo]

Have you tried 357 mag pistol bullets out of your 358 billo? Try the 180gn hornady xtp’s . Try to keep speed around 2600fps otherwise bullet blow up is severe. . Hollow point pistol bullets are dynamite on pigs . Cheers

No I haven't tried the XTPs thou I do have some on hand, I've been told the Silhouette XTP can handle the speed better on game, I already have Speer 180gr SP FN, Speer 158gr JHP, 200gr Corelokt RN and Hornady 200 SP on hand so no shortage of lightweight pills.

[bigpete]

The speer 180gn hot cor was the projectile of choice in mine. Still have a mcshitload that I'll end up using in my whelen