ADI POWDERS

[CJRBOLTGUN1]

What's the go with this mob ,always an issue getting powders, then nothing for ages, blokes forced to redevelop loads using different powder just to be able to shoot, then the website is a major letdown ,and if you email them they can't or won't answer some simple questions ,it's like they don't have a development team and just leave it up to whoever is just standing around doing nothing,

ADI if you don't plan on having powders available list them as discontinued, rant over

[No1Mk3]

ADI are a military supplier, ADF and NATO are 1st call for their products with commercial customers a distant 2nd. Supply and Demand is often short notice as we have found since Ukraine. Thales do not really give a F**k about us as their impending removal of the Lithgow Museum shows

[deye243]

What's the go with this mob ,always an issue getting powders, then nothing for ages, blokes forced to redevelop loads using different powder just to be able to shoot, then the website is a major letdown ,and if you email them they can't or won't answer some simple questions ,it's like they don't have a development team and just leave it up to whoever is just standing around doing nothing,

ADI if you don't plan on having powders available list them as discontinued, rant over

Well the company is French and an answer to your question no they do not have a development team for all the powders that they sell all the development and loading manuals Are Done by hodgden in the USA if you want load data or have questions email them

[Wapiti]

It is pretty crap though. A few powders show up, some stores get heaps others are in a drought.
So when you've got a bit of spare cash you try and buy up big. But then you are called a hoarder!
Can't win.
Seems like Hodgdons selling in the rebranded ADI stuff in the states again, Varget, H1000, Retumbo, Trailboss. Exports first!

[CJRBOLTGUN1]

What's the go with this mob ,always an issue getting powders, then nothing for ages, blokes forced to redevelop loads using different powder just to be able to shoot, then the website is a major letdown ,and if you email them they can't or won't answer some simple questions ,it's like they don't have a development team and just leave it up to whoever is just standing around doing nothing,

ADI if you don't plan on having powders available list them as discontinued, rant over

Well the company is French and an answer to your question no they do not have a development team for all the powders that they sell all the development and loading manuals Are Done by hodgden in the USA if you want load data or have questions email them

that's the go from now on, didn't even think of that,Thanks

[CJRBOLTGUN1]

It is pretty crap though. A few powders show up, some stores get heaps others are in a drought.
So when you've got a bit of spare cash you try and buy up big. But then you are called a hoarder!
Can't win.
Seems like Hodgdons selling in the rebranded ADI stuff in the states again, Varget, H1000, Retumbo, Trailboss. Exports first!

hoarder,yeah get that too, some guys don't realize how fast 1kg goes when case cap is around 70+ grains and there's no 4kg option

[straightshooter]

A few comments to clarify some of the gripes so far.
Without the ongoing sales to Hodgdon the Australian powder production facility probably would not be financially viable if serving only Australia. Unlike a few years ago at least now the Americans aren't getting our powders cheaper than we pay here.
Complaints about availability should take into account our cumbersome dangerous goods transport and storage regulations such as limitations how much powder can be transported at any one time and how much powder a dealer can store. You can guarantee a dealer won't be wasting storage space on slow selling powders even if it is your favourite powder. Also in NSW we have a residential limit of 12kg of powder.
So what's wrong with hoarding?
It's a waste of time worrying about what others think, because they don't.

[Wapiti]

Oh, I don't ever worry about being caller a hoarder. We know why people who say those sorts of things do it.

[Bugman]

Hoarding = you have powder.
No Hoarding = you have no powder or very little there of.............as the ad says...simples

[Fester]

Some extra hurdles were thrown in over the last few years.
The dangerous goods transportation thing.
They set up and do big runs of one powder type at a time and something went wrong or got contaminated, causing them to scrap a batch at one stage.
They didn't keep up with blokes panic buying to not run out, as we now have to do.

The bigger Sydney shops that buy decent amounts are on top of things now.
I noticed a few smaller shops never seemed to get some powders back in stock.
I just got a new 4kg of 09 and should have done the same with 08 as I collected about 5 small bottles, it won't be getting any cheaper so no real loss.

[CJRBOLTGUN1]

A few comments to clarify some of the gripes so far.
Without the ongoing sales to Hodgdon the Australian powder production facility probably would not be financially viable if serving only Australia. Unlike a few years ago at least now the Americans aren't getting our powders cheaper than we pay here.
Complaints about availability should take into account our cumbersome dangerous goods transport and storage regulations such as limitations how much powder can be transported at any one time and how much powder a dealer can store. You can guarantee a dealer won't be wasting storage space on slow selling powders even if it is your favourite powder. Also in NSW we have a residential limit of 12kg of powder.
So what's wrong with hoarding?
It's a waste of time worrying about what others think, because they don't.

I don't get the residential limit thing; it does nothing but make the THEM feel like they've achieved something ,there is no way they can know how much and how regular you burn through it

[Jorlcrin]

A few comments to clarify some of the gripes so far.
Without the ongoing sales to Hodgdon the Australian powder production facility probably would not be financially viable if serving only Australia. Unlike a few years ago at least now the Americans aren't getting our powders cheaper than we pay here.
Complaints about availability should take into account our cumbersome dangerous goods transport and storage regulations such as limitations how much powder can be transported at any one time and how much powder a dealer can store. You can guarantee a dealer won't be wasting storage space on slow selling powders even if it is your favourite powder. Also in NSW we have a residential limit of 12kg of powder.
So what's wrong with hoarding?
It's a waste of time worrying about what others think, because they don't.

I don't get the residential limit thing; it does nothing but make the THEM feel like they've achieved something ,there is no way they can know how much and how regular you burn through it

Is it possible the issue is that Gunpowders are classed as a low-grade explosive, and that once you exceed a certain quantity, your storage requires more scrutiny than what a Weapons License requires?
I have a recollection there might be a similar storage quantity limit for residential for bulk fuels; might be similar consideration??

Not certain, but something along these lines might explain the storage limits.
Just a thought.

[CJRBOLTGUN1]

A few comments to clarify some of the gripes so far.
Without the ongoing sales to Hodgdon the Australian powder production facility probably would not be financially viable if serving only Australia. Unlike a few years ago at least now the Americans aren't getting our powders cheaper than we pay here.
Complaints about availability should take into account our cumbersome dangerous goods transport and storage regulations such as limitations how much powder can be transported at any one time and how much powder a dealer can store. You can guarantee a dealer won't be wasting storage space on slow selling powders even if it is your favourite powder. Also in NSW we have a residential limit of 12kg of powder.
So what's wrong with hoarding?
It's a waste of time worrying about what others think, because they don't.

I don't get the residential limit thing; it does nothing but make the THEM feel like they've achieved something ,there is no way they can know how much and how regular you burn through it

Is it possible the issue is that Gunpowders are classed as a low-grade explosive, and that once you exceed a certain quantity, your storage requires more scrutiny than what a Weapons License requires?
I have a recollection there might be a similar storage quantity limit for residential for bulk fuels; might be similar consideration??

Not certain, but something along these lines might explain the storage limits.
Just a thought.

yeah, I think your right, but same, who will put their hand up and admit that they've exceeded the limit, probably not many would be my guess

[Wapiti]

Some of these powders and the load data for some calibres is quite a bit murky here in Aus, and that's with our own powders!
In my case I was looking at 300RSAUM and 338Lapua, popular in the US but not here so much. 300RUM as well.
Load date here wasn't making much sense and correlating with the velocities I have been getting so I thought I'd go to the online Hodgedon website where the same powders are renamed and sold there as US powder.
2208, 2209, 2213SC, 2217 and 2225 are rebadged there and the data is quite different in some examples I'm looking at from what I've seen in ADI and Nick Harvey's last ever reloading manual.
Some velocities are so inaccurate that I figured it must be just computer generated, and it looks like that. Some are very inaccurate as far as results go, so don't be afraid to go there and check it out.
In the Lapua for example, some are up to 200fps low, which plays hell with drop programs, and would probably turn people off using a powder that really is a great choice, just from looking at inaccurate data. Especially those without a chrony, that rely on good info.

[CJRBOLTGUN1]

Some of these powders and the load data for some calibres is quite a bit murky here in Aus, and that's with our own powders!
In my case I was looking at 300RSAUM and 338Lapua, popular in the US but not here so much. 300RUM as well.
Load date here wasn't making much sense and correlating with the velocities I have been getting so I thought I'd go to the online Hodgedon website where the same powders are renamed and sold there as US powder.
2208, 2209, 2213SC, 2217 and 2225 are rebadged there and the data is quite different in some examples I'm looking at from what I've seen in ADI and Nick Harvey's last ever reloading manual.
Some velocities are so inaccurate that I figured it must be just computer generated, and it looks like that. Some are very inaccurate as far as results go, so don't be afraid to go there and check it out.
In the Lapua for example, some are up to 200fps low, which plays hell with drop programs, and would probably turn people off using a powder that really is a great choice, just from looking at inaccurate data. Especially those without a chrony, that rely on good info.

yeah i found that out a little while back, funny that ive been testing some new loads for the 223 using 2207 and far as i can see adi data is way off with what they claim and what i can get with longer barrels eg im coming up short on speed compared to the book