Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by SendIt » 25 Sep 2014, 10:14 am

Close enough. If you want to get technical though...

1MOA is 1.047" at 100 yards
or 1.145" at 100 metres.

1MOA at 200 yards is 2.094 inches
or 2.290" at 200 metres.

Close enough, but just FYI that's the exact figures.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by deye243 » 25 Sep 2014, 7:25 pm

SendIt wrote:Close enough. If you want to get technical though...

1MOA is 1.047" at 100 yards
or 1.145" at 100 metres.

1MOA at 200 yards is 2.094 inches
or 2.290" at 200 metres.

Close enough, but just FYI that's the exact figures.



yep i know i just didn't want to come across as a smart a on me first post ..... i use MOA out to 1300y
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by SendIt » 26 Sep 2014, 8:34 am

Ha ha. Fair enough. :)
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Blackened » 26 Sep 2014, 8:35 am

deye243 wrote:yep i know i just didn't want to come across as a smart a on me first post ..... i use MOA out to 1300y


Don't be shy mate, if you know what you're talking about it's always welcome ;)
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by 1290 » 26 Sep 2014, 9:55 am

I've gone with 2206h, bought a load of it, (pretty good deal too) it does it all well, from 223Rem 308win through to the mags, even found a recipe for the Lott!! So the '06h does it all!

MoA, I was going to add something here, for those who like numbers I've started a new thread...
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by not shore » 22 Nov 2014, 11:11 pm

Ive try in my 223 rem Ruger American 22" barrel 1:8 twist ,55gr hornady SP 2207 and 2206H with no joy 1'' group best and 100 yd barrel hot etc. I wanted something better I tried W748 and what a joy to powder throw it got 0.2" group with 24 gr that what nosler on the web site for reloading has down for best accuracy for W748 2980fps not getting as hot im sold the only down side is supply
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Jack V » 23 Nov 2014, 6:24 am

Look every gun / load / shooter combination is different and you have to find what shoots well for you and your other components .
Start with the most commonly used powder as recommended by the ADI loading guide . AR 2206H is not a bad starting point. Only buy one tin to start with and see how you go . Once you find an accurate load combination then you can buy more and get the same batch .
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Jack V » 23 Nov 2014, 6:32 am

not shore wrote:Ive try in my 223 rem Ruger American 22" barrel 1:8 twist ,55gr hornady SP 2207 and 2206H with no joy 1'' group best and 100 yd barrel hot etc. I wanted something better I tried W748 and what a joy to powder throw it got 0.2" group with 24 gr that what nosler on the web site for reloading has down for best accuracy for W748 2980fps not getting as hot im sold the only down side is supply

Ball powders can be very accurate and I like the way they meter also but they are more temp sensitive than ADI powders that can upset accuracy in hot summer weather not that I shoot much in real hot weather anyway . I have used 760 in my 30-06 and it shoots real good . Ball powders are also very good for long term storage as they have high chemical stability .
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by rigatoni » 25 Nov 2014, 8:00 pm

Jack V wrote:Ball powders are also very good for long term storage as they have high chemical stability .


That's the case for all modern propellant though yes?

They all last years and longer, yeah?
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by not shore » 28 Nov 2014, 11:12 pm

Jack V wrote:
not shore wrote:Ive try in my 223 rem Ruger American 22" barrel 1:8 twist ,55gr hornady SP 2207 and 2206H with no joy 1'' group best and 100 yd barrel hot etc. I wanted something better I tried W748 and what a joy to powder throw it got 0.2" group with 24 gr that what nosler on the web site for reloading has down for best accuracy for W748 2980fps not getting as hot im sold the only down side is supply

Ball powders can be very accurate and I like the way they meter also but they are more temp sensitive than ADI powders that can upset accuracy in hot summer weather not that I shoot much in real hot weather anyway . I have used 760 in my 30-06 and it shoots real good . Ball powders are also very good for long term storage as they have high chemical stability .

Yes I know about heat factor the test were done on days 25C to 32C when I had my old 222 rem Sportco it loved AR2208 22.5 gr 50gr Winchester SP they looked like ballistic bullet
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Tiiger » 01 Dec 2014, 1:05 pm

rigatoni wrote:That's the case for all modern propellant though yes?

They all last years and longer, yeah?


Decades if stored in reasonable conditions.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by dickw5000 » 05 Jul 2016, 12:17 pm

The best powder is the one that works best with your rifle and your projectiles. I have a Weatherby Vanguard in .223 that is around 15 years old. When it was new I got reasonable accuracy with factory loads.

I tried W748 with Winchester 55gr PSP and Nosler shots. I got a good load for the Winchesters. I tried BM1 and could not get a consistent grouping and the Nosler / BM1 combination was awful.

I then tried AR2207 and Hornady 55gr spire soft points. 20.2 grains gave me an exceptional grouping, consistently 10 - 12 mm groups at 100m. I think that is outstanding for a budget / mid-price rifle with no work done on it. I've now put close to 7 kg of AR2207 through that barrel and it is still grouping consistently tight. I must be close to 7,000 rounds through that barrel and no signs of accuracy issues.

20.2 gr of AR2207, especially when I buy the 4kg container and bulk projectiles (Hornady SP and Sierra 55gr Gameking / Roo Load) give me a very economical load. It used to be around 33 cents including primer when the Hornady's were $120 per 1000. I think the Sierra's were $130 per 1000, but have gone up.

I have some reduced velocity loads that I use on rabbits and hares and they are equally accurate (7.5gr of Green Dot behind 46gr HP) which gives a nice quiet, tight group out to 100m, but not much more. I am working on a 40gr Z-Max SR4759 load as an alternative to a 17HMR.

My advice is buy 500gr containers of candidate powders, make up loads of 6 rounds of each load from min to max in 0.2 grain increments and shoot 3 shot groups with a cool and warm barrel off a sand bag and record the results. You should find a sweet spot for accuracy, which is what matters right? Give me 2900 fps and 12mm @ 100m grouping over 3250 fps and 25-50mm @ 100m, which might be flatter at 250m, but may not hit a fox's head.

You may find a corelation between powder capacity and accuracy, that is, I find that 1.52cc of powder (regardless of weight / density) seems to be optimum in my rifle. So you may not need to load from mid recommended load to max, if other powders has the groups open up towards max load. Your rifle may be different, but I found a similar pattern with my Howa 1500 in 6.5x55.

Never go outside the load manual's min and max loads for the specified projectile weight and be safe.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Berper » 06 Jul 2016, 3:15 pm

dickw5000 wrote:My advice is buy 500gr containers of candidate powders.....


Yeah give a small batch a test run first.

A mate of mine shelled out for a 4kg tub of 2206h (I think it was) then got pretty mediocre results and found 2208 was better for his .308.

Still going through the crappy tub for plinking where it can but it's forcing it really....
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Berper » 06 Jul 2016, 3:16 pm

Saying that though...

When you do find the right one stock up!

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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Garth » 03 Aug 2016, 9:20 pm

Ilike my adi 2208 i use in my 222 and 243 7.62x54r seems a pretty alround power what do you think i think 2207 .would be better for 222
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Post by Sydor » 04 Aug 2016, 6:21 pm

ADI2208 with Berger projectiles.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by tom604 » 04 Aug 2016, 6:43 pm

well in the beginning of this thread i said bm2 was good enough but i was wrong :oops: :oops: while i was getting moa out of it, all the talk of 1/2 moa or better slowly got to me :problem: so i broke and got some 2206h :o loaded up ten rounds each at 26.5,27.0 and 27.5 with a 50 gn vmax and off i went to see what they would do :D 27.0 was the pick of the crop with all groups shooting under moa. the two three shot groups went .5 and .4 with the four shot group blowing out to .8 :D :D average speed 3306 with a spread of 38 so i know im doing my loading right :thumbsup: or at least good enough for me :thumbsup:

just an fyi ... the hornady super performance averaged 3282 with a spread of 34 :thumbsup:
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by happyhunter » 05 Aug 2016, 9:34 pm

tom604 wrote:well in the beginning of this thread i said bm2 was good enough but i was wrong :oops: :oops: while i was getting moa out of it, all the talk of 1/2 moa or better slowly got to me :problem: so i broke and got some 2206h :o loaded up ten rounds each at 26.5,27.0 and 27.5 with a 50 gn vmax and off i went to see what they would do :D 27.0 was the pick of the crop with all groups shooting under moa. the two three shot groups went .5 and .4 with the four shot group blowing out to .8 :D :D average speed 3306 with a spread of 38 so i know im doing my loading right :thumbsup: or at least good enough for me :thumbsup:

just an fyi ... the hornady super performance averaged 3282 with a spread of 34 :thumbsup:


I'm finding the same with the 222. AR2206H produces the best groups. I also use it in the 204 and 308 with great results.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Gwion » 06 Aug 2016, 9:39 am

I have found that BM8208 is very good in my 223. BM2 was pretty good but 8208 gives me consistent sub 0.5MOA.

Have some AR2207 to experiment with for a faster burn in my short barrel to reduce muzzle flash (with is quite sectacular at night) but i don't expect it to match accuracy of BM8208. Recon it will be just under MOA but no better.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by happyhunter » 06 Aug 2016, 11:32 am

I use AR2207 for loading 40 and 50 grain projectiles in the 222 Rem. The accuracy is good enough for hunting and it produces very high velocity although AR2206H seems to be the accuracy king in that rifle. One thing I noticed with 2207 is that chamber pressure will spike quickly in the 222 as you approach max load. AR2206H is definitely the more forgiving powder.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Gwion » 06 Aug 2016, 5:40 pm

Thanks for the tips, HH. I'll keep the loads mild-mid. Will be happy with the first node that produces acceptable accuracy.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by superkel66 » 19 Aug 2016, 9:22 pm

i have tried both 2206h and 2208 with a couple of 55gn pill,but i cant match the muzzle velosity of OAS 55gn hornady factory ammo. that said 2206h did group mildly better out of my A bolt II.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by bigtone » 20 Aug 2016, 10:09 am

55grain super roo projectile + 24 grains 2206h = dead skippy! (With damage mitigation permit of course)
It's not banned in Queensland but you just can't have one!
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by happyhunter » 20 Aug 2016, 11:15 am

AR 2206H does it all. Great powder.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by happyhunter » 20 Aug 2016, 11:24 am

superkel66 wrote:i have tried both 2206h and 2208 with a couple of 55gn pill,but i cant match the muzzle velosity of OAS 55gn hornady factory ammo. that said 2206h did group mildly better out of my A bolt II.


Hornady use that stuff they call super performance which apparently isn't available to the public. Some people are getting report getting close to factory velocity with 8028X but I cannot vouch for this claim.

I'm loading 50 grain vmax for a 222 using AR 2207 and AR 2206H and find 2207 produces higher velocity while 2206H is the accuracy load.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Norton » 25 Aug 2016, 11:03 am

happyhunter wrote:AR 2206H does it all.


I asked it to cook me some eggs this morning.

It wouldn't.

Very disappointed :mrgreen: :sarcasm:
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by sandgroperbill » 25 Aug 2016, 12:27 pm

Did you strike the primer properly?
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by happyhunter » 25 Aug 2016, 8:18 pm

Norton wrote:
happyhunter wrote:AR 2206H does it all.


I asked it to cook me some eggs this morning.

It wouldn't.

Very disappointed :mrgreen: :sarcasm:


You gotta put the powder *under* the fry pan.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by bones-350 » 21 Nov 2016, 8:06 pm

My Weatherby Vanguard (series1) likes AR2206H 26 gr, Berger 55gr FB Varminit bullets in ADI brass. 3holes covered with a 5c coin at 100yds.
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Re: Best ADI powder for 223 rifle reloading

Post by Norton » 23 Nov 2016, 9:59 am

Oh right.

Thanks for the cooking tips guys :sarcasm:
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