Hodgdon Lil' gun powder

[Westy]

Westy,

If you bring me 400 rounds of 30-30win to Vic from bargain basement Qld, I can get you ample Lilgun down here

Damn transport costs s**t me. From Radelaide to here $15 - $20. From Qld to here, $160 minimum.

Just warming up the G.P.S

[huccl]

Damn transport costs s**t me. From Radelaide to here $15 - $20. From Qld to here, $160 minimum.

The extra $140 from QLD is some QLD safety handling fee is it?

[KWhorenet]

Huccl,

I've had two retailers from Qld quote me very similar prohibitive prices. Haven't looked into the policy/facts behind it. 1 packet or 5kg of ammo, same price.

Something close to the $10 shipping for 400 rounds of 30-30 ammo I was quoted from NSW would make the Qld ammo price worth it to me.

[Wes]

About the above to post... I think here in VIC if you ship 'dangerous goods' there is a declaration thing you have to do which costs about $90 or something.

The paperwork costs the same whether you send a tub or 10 so you'd have to buy bulk for it to be anywhere near worthwhile.

Probably something similar up north.

[KWhorenet]

Edit to my original post, it was a NSW supplier that offers cheap shipping. Google the product and you will find the distributor.

Your shopping cart
Product: Federal 30-30 Win, 150gr, Soft Point Power Shoks - 200rds $240.00
Sub-Total 2 units $480.00

Choose Shipping Option: Ammo Freight 0-5kg $15.00 Nationwide Courier Delivery $10.00
$10.00
Total $490.00

Qld to Victoria may be double the distance but ammo shipping is 16 times the price than from NSW.
I wonder why ??

[Gwion]

Bump....

I have never seen Lil'gun in Tas. Can anyone point me to where i can get some. Would be good for a future/ongoing project.

[Bills Shed]

Bump....

I have never seen Lil'gun in Tas. Can anyone point me to where i can get some. Would be good for a future/ongoing project.

Hi Gwion,
I do not know where you are in Tas but I have not found any in the north. I too would like to give it a run in my hornet cases just to have a go.
Pretty much everything I run uses 2205 which is easy to get. If I do find some I would be happy to split a tin.
Bill

[Gwion]

Cheers Bill. I'll let you know if i find any. I'm also in the north of the state. I'll be in Hobart next week, so i might do a run around. Failing that, i might see if one of the dealers will put a couple of tubs on order for the next powder shipment (god knows when that will be).

[SendIt]

Failing that, i might see if one of the dealers will put a couple of tubs on order for the next powder shipment (god knows when that will be).

Throw a dart at a calendar. Will be just as accurate as what a dealer will tell you

[bigrich]

reviving a old topic. anyone in the brisbane region got any lil gun they want rid of ?

[Billo]

Just grab some Power Pro 300 MP does a slightly better job than little gun

[mickb]

reviving a old topic. anyone in the brisbane region got any lil gun they want rid of ?

And if there is, whatever Bigrich is asking, I'll double it

Just kidding but yeah thats almost how it is right now. its funny reading back to 2014 too when we could still ship the stuff.

[Blr243]

Sold some couple of months ago. Found it and realised I had no use for it.

[mickb]

Your killing us BLLR243 actually it would have been great in your 357 mate gets about the highest energies out there.

[bigrich]

Sold some couple of months ago. Found it and realised I had no use for it.

[bigrich]

Your killing us BLLR243 actually it would have been great in your 357 mate gets about the highest energies out there.

i want it for my hornet , but it worked great for me in my 357 marlin. great accuracy and 1835fps with 158 xtp's with no preasure signs

[JohnV]

I reckon Hodgdon Lil Gun was just Winchester 296 ball powder .

[mickb]

I reckon Hodgdon Lil Gun was just Winchester 296 ball powder .

H110 is win 296, Lilgun is a different powder, All similar category for burn rates though

[Blr243]

Yes my stuff up. Sold it without realising its potential in my 357. Sold it couple of months prior to getting my Rossi 357

[JohnV]

I reckon Hodgdon Lil Gun was just Winchester 296 ball powder .

H110 is win 296, Lilgun is a different powder, All similar category for burn rates though

Hodgdon Lil Gun was a ball powder and very few companies make ball powders .

[wanneroo]

I have found in 300 Blackout and 357 Magnum that H110/W296 works better with lighter bullets and being pushed to the max. Anything less and it can be fussy and inconsistent.

Lil Gun I have found to be more forgiving and seems to work better with mid to heavier bullets.

[JohnV]

I have found in 300 Blackout and 357 Magnum that H110/W296 works better with lighter bullets and being pushed to the max. Anything less and it can be fussy and inconsistent.

Lil Gun I have found to be more forgiving and seems to work better with mid to heavier bullets.

That could just be an idiosyncrasy of your guns specs ammo included . As soon as you go to a heavier bullet you change the potential chamber pressures (
( force needed to move the bullet ) so the pressure curve is changed compared to what happens with a lighter bullet and you usually use a lesser powder load than with lighter bullets . So the phenomenon can happen using exactly the same powder in each case and those effects can also change from one gun to another and you can't compare different cartridges . Hodgdon never ever made any powder . He started in a caravan in a big paddock surrounded by drums of powder he bought from the manufacturers at wholesale prices . If Hodgdon was rebranding a ball powder in those days it's odds on it was Winchester powder .
We tend to think that the things that we experience in our equipment is the norm for everyone and that is just not the case . For an example a guy at my range has a 243 that is having extraction problems from pressure a full 4 grains under my load with no problems with the same powder .
I suspect it was a combination of things working together like, small case volume , tight chamber specs , tight bore , dirty fouled bore , hard projectiles .

[wanneroo]

I have found in 300 Blackout and 357 Magnum that H110/W296 works better with lighter bullets and being pushed to the max. Anything less and it can be fussy and inconsistent.

Lil Gun I have found to be more forgiving and seems to work better with mid to heavier bullets.

That could just be an idiosyncrasy of your guns specs ammo included . As soon as you go to a heavier bullet you change the potential chamber pressures (
( force needed to move the bullet ) so the pressure curve is changed compared to what happens with a lighter bullet and you usually use a lesser powder load than with lighter bullets . So the phenomenon can happen using exactly the same powder in each case and those effects can also change from one gun to another and you can't compare different cartridges . Hodgdon never ever made any powder . He started in a caravan in a big paddock surrounded by drums of powder he bought from the manufacturers at wholesale prices . If Hodgdon was rebranding a ball powder in those days it's odds on it was Winchester powder .
We tend to think that the things that we experience in our equipment is the norm for everyone and that is just not the case . For an example a guy at my range has a 243 that is having extraction problems from pressure a full 4 grains under my load with no problems with the same powder .
I suspect it was a combination of things working together like, small case volume , tight chamber specs , tight bore , dirty fouled bore , hard projectiles .

Could be, but that's what I have found across the board and it's replicated itself in multiple guns. As a result like with 300 Blackout, if a bullet is beyond 125g, I don't even bother using or trying H110/W296 anymore, I use Lil Gun.

[northdude]

Ive found lil gun and 296 works well in my hornets 12.5gr lil gun seems to be the number all 3 of them seem to like

[mickb]

I reckon Hodgdon Lil Gun was just Winchester 296 ball powder .

H110 is win 296, Lilgun is a different powder, All similar category for burn rates though

Hodgdon Lil Gun was a ball powder and very few companies make ball powders .

Correct, but it still isnt H110/win 296. Different powder, slightly faster burning, different load data for all calibres.