bluerob wrote:Thanks for the reply.
Sorry, I may not have explained myself properly.
For example (a popular lead projectile brand made in Sydney).
150gn cast lead round nose for .357 data - nope.
158gn cast lead round nose for .357 data - nope.
Most reloaders that I know prefer using AS30N for .357 (quite a few books recommend this also), but no data?
I thought that AR2205 was more suitable to rifle loads? If I'm wrong, please say so. Don't mind learning more.
I don't want to start an argument, but, the AP50, AP70 & AP100 etc is more for 9mm, .38 Super? If I'm wrong, again, happy for you to say so.
There's quite a few other pills that are commonly sold, simply for paper punching, but, no data? It looks as though most data is for the hunting/defence use?
I'm finding that The Lyman Cast book usually is more helpful than the ADI data as I'm using cast lead 100% of the time. I don't have a need for hollow points or any other of the tricky pills (XTP) for target shooting.
Won't a 158gn Hollw point will require a different load to a .158gn cast lead round nose projectile?
Thanks for your comments. Greatly appreciated!
My point is that it seems that the ADI data is weighted towards the pills that paper punchers wouldn't normally use.
Chronos wrote:Not true, I bought 3kg of AP70 a week or so ago just for when I get my next pistol. Most gunshops around here have it at the moment.
Chronos
cavok wrote:Chronos wrote:Not true, I bought 3kg of AP70 a week or so ago just for when I get my next pistol. Most gunshops around here have it at the moment.
Chronos
In Victoria here I know very high ranking shooters who would kill of just 1 tin, sorry, plastic containers. I have switched to ap50 easier. Possibly some ap70 goes interstate to NSW some others stays here. AP70 comes in 500grm and 2kg containers, ap 50 works just as well. No big deal, glad you have your supply.
And yes, depending on who you are when the big dealers get their share, they know exactly who gets the powder, it's not first in gets it, you must be at the top of the list, all I got was AP50 & 100..
Chronos wrote:I'd guess that the reason is because ADI use data from their US partner to write their manuals. ADI do no testing here i'm told and they simply take the data supplied from their powders and write the loading manual using the data supplied. this would mean that much of the data tested would be done with the highest selling bullets in the US of A
I use 240gr top scores in my .44mag and i asked around and the consensus was to just use the jacketed data as the coating was very good. the same won't apply to uncoated cast bullets
Chronos
bluerob wrote:Why are the importers bringing in "personal defence" etc type factory ammo (hideously expensive) when we are only putting holes in paper and knocking plates over.
Chronos wrote:I'd guess that the reason is because ADI use data from their US partner to write their manuals. ADI do no testing here i'm told and they simply take the data supplied from their powders and write the loading manual using the data supplied. this would mean that much of the data tested would be done with the highest selling bullets in the US of A
Korkt wrote:Chronos wrote:I'd guess that the reason is because ADI use data from their US partner to write their manuals. ADI do no testing here i'm told and they simply take the data supplied from their powders and write the loading manual using the data supplied. this would mean that much of the data tested would be done with the highest selling bullets in the US of A
I was just going to say the same thing.
Data is just copied/pasted from the US with the name of the power exchanged.
So we get data with popular US bullets which has a rich market for self defence, and I guess to a lesser extent hunting with pistols.
cavok wrote:Chronos you have a great Christmas. ADI in America where all their loads are tested they use ADI powders, using projectiles we use, same weight, they use the same handguns we use, what loads and pressures, muzzle velocity they publish using ADI powders and projectiles is VALID, rely on it. USE their powder to work uploads for what you want. THRE is no published from data from here, I have a Winchester manual, load data, I use their product sometimes, I use their load data BECAUSE its also valid and useable.
bluerob wrote:Why are the importers bringing in "personal defence" etc type factory ammo (hideously expensive) when we are only putting holes in paper and knocking plates over. I know of some ranges that frown upon using jacketed ammo in handguns.