Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

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Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by brisb » 16 Mar 2015, 6:48 pm

One for the QLD reloaders.

Dear Reloader,

Australian Munitions regrets to announce that we are currently experiencing some logistical difficulties with the distribution of powder in Queensland. We are working with our distributor to resolve the problem as soon as possible, and normal supply is expected to resume before the end of March. We appreciate your patience during this time, and would like to assure you that there are no production problems with most types of reloading powder we manufacture.

We do experience temporary disruptions to the supply of some powders from time to time, and currently AP50N and AP70N are affected by a disruption in manufacturing due to some changes we are making to the way we manufacture our pistol and shotgun powders. These changes are necessary to ensure that we can sustainably manufacture these products for many years to come.

We would also like to remind all reloaders of the challenges associated with transporting powder around Australia safely and in accordance with all the various state and federal regulations applicable to dangerous goods. Australian Munitions and our distributor, Winchester Australia, will continue to do our best to ensure maximum availability of the entire range of ADI powders to all corners of our vast country. We sincerely appreciate your continued support of our World-Class Australian made products.

Enjoy our sport and be safe out there.

Ferdi Kluever
Sales Director, Australian Munitions


End of March they sale for powder to not be so scarce hopefully.
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by brett1868 » 16 Mar 2015, 6:54 pm

Curious if it's related to this announcement today as well...
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by Sender » 18 Mar 2015, 2:44 pm

Next one will be

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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by veep » 18 Mar 2015, 2:45 pm

Next one?

I think you missed it, that's come and gone :lol: :(
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by agentzero » 18 Mar 2015, 2:46 pm

Slim pickings all round now already.
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by Bourt » 18 Mar 2015, 2:47 pm

Hmmmm :problem:
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by 1290 » 18 Mar 2015, 4:07 pm

Supply issues in Aus... is code for "we will resume scheduled deliveries once our USA contract obligations are fulfilled" :problem:
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Post by Oldbloke » 18 Mar 2015, 5:00 pm

I have a mate who works there. It is just a logistics issue.
Transport of dangerous goods is often complex and expensive.
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by Vati » 19 Mar 2015, 10:49 am

Oldbloke wrote:I have a mate who works there. It is just a logistics issue.
Transport of dangerous goods is often complex and expensive.


Admittedly I'm not speaking from experience here but I've got to say..... It can't be that hard can it?

Never used to be this hard to get powder, what's changed over the years :unknown:

As for the cost, there will always be buyers.

Not having a go at your mate, just venting a bit I suppose :lol:

Put it on the truck, Drive. How complicated does it need to be :unknown:
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by trekin » 20 Mar 2015, 6:44 am

Vati,

A few years ago, the QLD Govt reduced the amount of propellant powder that can be transported under a DG licence, and reduced the number of DG licences for propellant powder. It is almost to the point where a licenced firearms owner can transport more powder than a DG licenced courier. This reduces the amount of powder any LGS can buy at any one time, and adds to the cost of the powder because it is nearly impossible to buy in bulk. ADI, and I believe Winchester, are working around this issue by building a warehouse and distribution facility here in QLD.
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Post by Vati » 20 Mar 2015, 2:28 pm

'Red Tape' in other words :problem:
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by headspace » 21 Mar 2015, 7:57 am

Sadly we are becoming a shivering scared little shadow of our former ways. We are now tied up in so much red tape and PC crap that you can't get anything done without wading through the minefield. Sorry, more ranting.
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by Oldbloke » 21 Mar 2015, 10:37 am

There are 9 classes of dangerous goods. All states follow the ADG Code for transport. It is in place to prevent transport disasters such as the cootes fuel tanker fire in nsw about a yr ago. The explosives industry is very sensitive to and aware or the potential when it all goes wrong. Yes, it is restrictive, complex (mainly because of the chemistry). Also due to the Cost of insurance and because of the small quantities transported, expensive. Yes there is lots of red tape, but for good reason.
BUT, if it all goes wrong, and people die, what would we, the media and polititions say and think. And what would happen then to the supply and production?

The code, 1 of the very few that is free can be down loaded from the link below for some light reading. :sarcasm:
http://www.ntc.gov.au/heavy-vehicles/sa ... oods-code/
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by Seconds » 22 Mar 2015, 8:03 am

Oldbloke wrote:It is in place to prevent transport disasters such as the cootes fuel tanker fire in nsw about a yr ago.


I remember. Right across Mona Vale road wasn't it.
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Post by anthillinside » 22 Mar 2015, 9:18 am

+1 for the DG codes.
Years ago a lot of road carnage was due to cowboy truckies (the minority) "Truckers kep this country moving"
I remember the Cootes tanker crash, but can't remember the final outcome of the inquiry.
Please correct me but wasn't it found that Cootes wasn't maintaining their fleet, had a lot of trucks put off the road for a while?
Anyone know/remember what their penality wasin the end?
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Post by 1290 » 22 Mar 2015, 10:10 am

do codes requiring the correct placard, correct number code and colour actually prevent incidents?? When was the last tanker explosion that killed?
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Post by anthillinside » 22 Mar 2015, 10:24 am

1290 wrote:do codes requiring the correct placard, correct number code and colour actually prevent incidents?? When was the last tanker explosion that killed?

I understand where your comming from and no the signs and numbers would seem to do SFA to prevent accidents. :friends:
But they SHOULD be the end result of companies and people understanding the risks and taking good measure to mitigate those risks.
Unfortunatley these days it's the red tape of the codes and numbers that get the priority not the actual common sense reason behind them.
Ohe advantage of the red tape signs and numbers is at least if there is an accident the emergency services know what they are dealing with, small comfort.
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Post by Seconds » 22 Mar 2015, 1:09 pm

anthillinside wrote:Please correct me but wasn't it found that Cootes wasn't maintaining their fleet, had a lot of trucks put off the road for a while?
Anyone know/remember what their penality wasin the end?


That was the accusation at the time by some 'whistle blower' about the fleet.

Driver was charged with various offences, I don't think anything ever came back to the company though?
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Re: Notice regarding ADI powder in Queensland

Post by Oldbloke » 22 Mar 2015, 8:18 pm

Signage is only a very small part. It isnt 600 pages about signage. Im no expert in tne area, but it is also about:

Quantities that can be transported
Classifications
What can be transported with what, due to chemical incompatability.
The type of packaging required
Signage for emergency services
Placarding
Emergency information, again for emergency services
training requirements
Transfer of dgs
Equipment requirements including references to equipment design such as lpg or fuel tankers.

Cootes disaster was mainly caused by poor maintenance. Two died and 5 injured. 525k fine.

There have been incidents in the 1800s and early 1900s that killed thousands, and even plenty of close calls, even recently in australia.
The dg code is complex for a very good reason. And for one Im glad we have it. To see the alternative just google disasters in usa or any 3rd world country you would like to pick
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Post by Oldbloke » 22 Mar 2015, 8:23 pm

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Post by Seconds » 23 Mar 2015, 9:27 am

Oldbloke wrote:Cootes conviction.


I stand corrected.
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