Reloading porn

[COLLECTOR 1]

FUDD.....????....I'm sorry, but I'm a bit older....a bit wiser...and as they say the older you get, the less of a rats arse you give....

From what I can glean....I reload for over 70 calibres..big and little , hot and slow...Christ knows I've had or have them all.. if and when I've found that sweet load, you know the one that just does it and says it all...the one that makes them look at the range when the targets come in....you write it down . And that's it, pure and simple....and you use THAT load...that's the one THAT works...rocket science is for the the next generation sorry...

Collector 1

[juststarting]

[Oldbloke]

Happy to have a look at it. And sure for those that have plenty of load data they like to record it would help them. Just saying it seems a niche area.

[bigfellascott]

FUDD.....????....I'm sorry, but I'm a bit older....a bit wiser...and as they say the older you get, the less of a rats arse you give....

From what I can glean....I reload for over 70 calibres..big and little , hot and slow...Christ knows I've had or have them all.. if and when I've found that sweet load, you know the one that just does it and says it all...the one that makes them look at the range when the targets come in....you write it down . And that's it, pure and simple....and you use THAT load...that's the one THAT works...rocket science is for the the next generation sorry...

Collector 1

Spot on - KISS is what we operate by, the kids today seem to like to complicate things for the hell of it (they will eventually work it out I guess)

[bladeracer]

if and when I've found that sweet load, you know the one that just does it and says it all...the one that makes them look at the range when the targets come in....you write it down . And that's it, pure and simple....and you use THAT load...that's the one THAT works...rocket science is for the the next generation sorry...

Collector 1

The data is for use while developing that load. Once you have that load then you no longer need the data. Unless you like to experiment with different loads and bullets even after you've found that one load that becomes your "go-to".
I like to experiment

[bladeracer]

Trying to get layout compact enough to work on a small 13" laptop screen. Almost working.

I'm glad you mentioned laptops - I was thinking it was only going to be for phone use - which is no good to me.

I understand the need to make it suit lots of different users, but how difficult would it be to have the option of including all those fields or leaving them out? Like a tick box beside each field so the user only has a compact screen of the fields he actually needs. It sucks having to look through fifty items to find the three you use.

Maximum Cartridge OAL needs to be included in the load data not the firearm - it's different for each bullet design.
I would rather see the scope listed with the load rather than the rifle. Anything that can be changed on the firearm should be listed with the specific load being developed, not with the firearm data. Otherwise if I change the scope or the bipod then I need to build a new "firearm" for the database.

[juststarting]

Thanks, Sungazer!

[juststarting]

I'm glad you mentioned laptops - I was thinking it was only going to be for phone use - which is no good to me.

I understand the need to make it suit lots of different users, but how difficult would it be to have the option of including all those fields or leaving them out? Like a tick box beside each field so the user only has a compact screen of the fields he actually needs. It sucks having to look through fifty items to find the three you use.

Not right now. Layouts are the trickiest things and once it's working on few devices, this is something you want to avoid changing at all costs. That said, this is something I have been thinking about and maybe in the future. However, what you see here in screenshot are prep screens. You won't be looking at them often. The actual cartridge building screens I haven't shared here, but it has exactly what you are thinking. Bare minimum on viewing area and additional pop-up windows if you want to dive deeper into data collection. This is the screen you'd be looking the most at, so it's the smallest...

Maximum Cartridge OAL needs to be included in the load data not the firearm - it's different for each bullet design.

For each cartridge development​. Correct. It's in the cartridge development screens. This instance is actually based on Brett's suggestion (who's a walking encyclopaedia​ of reloading). It's a one off in there. Intended to be recorded for brand new rifle, recorded only once in the beginning. This way you have a baseline record to track throat erosion. There's a note about that but too small to see in the screenshot.

I would rather see the scope listed with the load rather than the rifle. Anything that can be changed on the firearm should be listed with the specific load being developed, not with the firearm data. Otherwise if I change the scope or the bipod then I need to build a new "firearm" for the database.

This my friend is an age old debate of usability vs practicality.
80/20 here... Most shooters don't swap scopes too often. So it's there to reduce data input requirements.

That said, there are few things available to counter that. One, notes areas in all components. So you can track it. Or, lock or archive functions. This is where you want to rebuild something but keep old records... You can archive it or lock it. Depends on your use case, both available, one will lock it and prevent future edits until unlocked. The other will hide but not delete certain data workflows. And you also have a clone facility, where you can duplicate anything into anything new for really small changes. Sort of like setting up templates for common workflows, but better. You can clone a primer batch, a rifle, cartridge batch or entire cartridge batch group... Finally, there's the delete options.

[juststarting]

Uh, no, I lie. Cartridge building screen is here and a pop up window. So you can see what's there in front of you and what's available if you want to track more data.

Here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7039&start=126#p128956

The 'more...' button opens additional window for OCD delight Supaduke's suggestion, which I thought was excellent, but also set me back a week worth of effort lol. But it made perfect sense, so it had to be done.

[brett1868]

Maximum Cartridge OAL needs to be included in the load data not the firearm - it's different for each bullet design

Correct but the feedback to J.S was for Max O.A.L rather then Max C.O.A.L. (Or maybe I typo'd it in my feedback and JS owes me an uppercut)

Some background for those not familiar with OAL / COAL
Max OAL is specific to the rifle and generally a fixed number irrespective of the projectile used an its a measure of the base of the case to the Ogive of the projectile. COAL is the measurement of the base to Meplat and can be inconsistent unless projectiles are trimmed for consistent Ogive to Meplat.

Maybe the app needs a "FUDD" version, just enough functionality to record 1-2 loads per rifle

The app is more aimed at the enthusiast / collector / commercial producer who may be loading for many different rifles in the same or different chambering. I'm up near 30 chambering's I load for now so something like this app I see as having commercial value for me

[juststarting]

Bah! Possibly a typo. Or more likely, I should stop using wrong terminology interchangeably.

[brett1868]

That should suit the "Anal Retentive, Compulsive Obsessive types" nicely.

That's me to a T

[bladeracer]

Learn something every day. I always just considered them the same, as to what i use the measurement for and how the one is only needed. I think?

What Brett is measuring is the length from the bolt face to where every bullet design meets the start of the rifling.
I can't think how such a measurement can easily be taken though.
Normally we measure overall length to point of each bullet design simply because it's the easiest to do.

[bigfellascott]

That should suit the "Anal Retentive, Compulsive Obsessive types" nicely.

That's me to a T

No doubt Brett

[brett1868]

Learn something every day. I always just considered them the same, as to what i use the measurement for and how the one is only needed. I think?

What Brett is measuring is the length from the bolt face to where every bullet design meets the start of the rifling.
I can't think how such a measurement can easily be taken though.
Normally we measure overall length to point of each bullet design simply because it's the easiest to do.

There's actually a "Comparator Gauge" made by Hornady for this very purpose. It comes with a number of inserts of various calibers that allow you to measure base to ogive for each type of projectile. I being the anal retentive OCD type I machine my own inserts and use a precision reamer to get them within 0.0005" of caliber. This allows me to get a precise base to ogive measurement for this particular caliber. The problem with the inserts is they are not precise to caliber and produce different measurements for each different projectile depending on profile and how far forward or back they reach the insert.
Generally you would use the gauge and measure and record the OAL for each different projectile used. That's the fastest and easiest method and one used by 99.9% of reloaders. With the precision inserts I use the measurement remains consistent irrespective of the projectile used.
Projectiles are mass produced and not what I'd call precise by any means, as a test grab 10 from a box and measure their length with a micrometer and they can vary by several thou in length and a few grains or more in mass. If seating based on COAL then you can have a variance of a few thou in Ogive to rifling which isn't ideal for precision but not an issue for hunting. These variables must and can be removed / minimised for precision distance shooting. I use a Meplat pointer to close the tip on hollow points then a custom made for me (per projectile type) Hoover Meplat trimmer to trim each projectile for consistent Meplat to Ogive length. I then measure and sort by base to Ogive / Mass. I seat each projectile 2-3 thou long then measure, set the micrometer seating die and seat the projectile.
I go to these lengths only for a couple calibers, 375Cheytac and .416 Barrett because it's a heap of work and I'd rather be out shooting.

[juststarting]

That's very cool!

More info on the lathe too please?

[scoobs]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F301507274922

how do you find it? i have been looking at getting a seig SC3 lathe and x2 mill.

[Oldbloke]

"a little cannon, "
I love the boy.

I have a mate who made one when he was a just a kid. Blew a hole in dads shed.

Continued to work in the same area all his life. It was a real bang.

As it happens I spoke to him today regarding a chemical matter.

[BRNO_Bigot]

Maximum Cartridge OAL needs to be included in the load data not the firearm - it's different for each bullet design

Correct but the feedback to J.S was for Max O.A.L rather then Max C.O.A.L. (Or maybe I typo'd it in my feedback and JS owes me an uppercut)

Some background for those not familiar with OAL / COAL
Max OAL is specific to the rifle and generally a fixed number irrespective of the projectile used an its a measure of the base of the case to the Ogive of the projectile. COAL is the measurement of the base to Meplat and can be inconsistent unless projectiles are trimmed for consistent Ogive to Meplat.

Maybe the app needs a "FUDD" version, just enough functionality to record 1-2 loads per rifle

The app is more aimed at the enthusiast / collector / commercial producer who may be loading for many different rifles in the same or different chambering. I'm up near 30 chambering's I load for now so something like this app I see as having commercial value for me

I'm very late to this, but what about an OOAL - Overall Overall Length, which means "this length or anything less will fit and feed in the magazine - anything longer is not useful, no matter how many or few thousands of an inch the ogive sits from the lands.

This seems like a very useful practical measurement. I haven't read this whole thread yet, so I admit it may well be there later ....

[d3driver]

"a muzzle brake....."

[juststarting]

Thought, I got some time... I'll load 100ish (96 to be exact, I don't know where the other 4 cases went) worth of 44mag since I impulsively purchased some HRBC bullets and thought I'd give them a go. Plinking ammo, 19gr of AR2205 (since that's what I had). Then I thought, well, thrower is already setup for 19, I may as well do another 100'ish of SWC I cast a week ago.

Then I thought, I am doing this now anyway, I may as well use up my 7.62x54R 148gr pulled bullets I had sitting around, so in they went at 41gr give or take... After that was done, I thought, I may as well use the 303 projectiles I pulled form bad milsurp stuff I had, so in they went at 35gr of AR2208. Then my OCD kicked in, I had 20 303 cases in a batch and only 15 pulled bullets, so I added 5 Hornady 174gr FMJ BT.



Now I am thinking, screw this s**t. Thrower is fine for plinking ammo, but I was trying to get 35gr of AR2208 on the dot into 303 and thrower is just not doing it. Think I may need a Chargemaster or something And I am down to 200 LR primers and no pistol powder for my 44 plinkanator, re-stocking time (an actual reason to go into a fun shop, who knows, may walk out with a new gun)!

[juststarting]

Better than a charge master and cheaper https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100x0-001g- ... 4b0bd4aa50

Nah, that's still scales. Too slow. I'd like an automated powder thrower.

[on_one_wheel]

Better than a charge master and cheaper https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100x0-001g- ... 4b0bd4aa50

Nah, that's still scales. Too slow. I'd like an automated powder thrower.

The one of very few chances to just slow down, turn off the rest of the world and take it easy almost meditation style and you want to rush through it .

How I feel weighing powder with a beam
Ohhmmmmm

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[juststarting]

Not at all, sometimes it's a job for balance beam, sometimes for my rcbs digital scales, sometimes for a powder thrower... But sometimes it's about quantity AND accuracy.

[Oldbloke]

"a little cannon, "
I love the boy

Brass for the barrel is paid for and on the way.
Thinking a .177, a .22 and a 30 cal.
All strictly ornamental of course!

Lucky it's ornamental couse axel steel would have been better if you were going to try it. Brass will look good on the mantel piece.

[on_one_wheel]

Na, plenty of brass barreled cannons around, black powder only of course though.

Here's my brass cannon

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[on_one_wheel]

I know a bloke who owns a foundry. He has a pattern for a decent sized cannon, I've been really tempted to have one made ... for ornamental purposes l.

[on_one_wheel]

I'd love one in 12 ga

You could build a set of wheels and a trunnion for one of your 12 gauge shotguns ... string pull trigger and all

[on_one_wheel]

I really shouldn't be on t hg e net looking at this kind of stuff ... next I'll be trying to find out how to make it legit.

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[juststarting]

Alright... I thought it's a nice day today, I did everything I needed to do, I ordered a roll crimper and while I wait I thought lets get this DIY slug business on the road, first batch... And then I thought, meh, may as well use the rest of my pulled milsurp bullets, so I did that too.

Puuurty and productive.