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Post by Apollo » 14 Mar 2017, 2:23 am

Bit off topic isn't it sorry.....

But how much drop does a Standard Velocity .22LR Rimfire have at 200 Yards.... ??

Starts off at about 1,000 fps but good enough to hit 5mm targets at 200 yards. Yes, yards because that's the range specification distance. Fun in the wind/mirage.
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Post by bladeracer » 14 Mar 2017, 2:24 am

Apollo wrote:.222Remington, I believe the Head Stamp just says 222R.



My brass says "222 Rem".
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Post by Apollo » 14 Mar 2017, 2:30 am

bladeracer wrote:
Apollo wrote:.222Remington, I believe the Head Stamp just says 222R.



My brass says "222 Rem".


Sorry, my mistake. I did say I don't have a .222 but it's a neat calibre and very accurate. Especially with the old ADI AR2206... no longer available. ;)
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Post by bladeracer » 14 Mar 2017, 2:44 am

Apollo wrote:Bit off topic isn't it sorry.....

But how much drop does a Standard Velocity .22LR Rimfire have at 200 Yards.... ??

Starts off at about 1,000 fps but good enough to hit 5mm targets at 200 yards. Yes, yards because that's the range specification distance. Fun in the wind/mirage.



I'm zeroed at 100m with 1085 Eley Edge and drop at 200m is around 1250mm. At 50m it's about 115mm high.
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Post by Gwion » 14 Mar 2017, 7:19 am

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duncan61 wrote:BTW... I wouldn't us a 3-9x40 Scope for any further than 100m and only Hunting/Varminting. Just not good enough for Target use. It's pretty hard to focus a tiny 2mm dot at 100m in the centre of a low power scope.


I wouldn't choose a 3-9 for target either but if it's all you have to start with it can still get you in the bull at 300yd. It certainly is not the reason he can't get on target at 200.
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Post by colinbentley » 14 Mar 2017, 1:06 pm

Thanks for all the well intentioned advice. But no one really answered my question. What power scope would you recommend for benchrest accuracy at 2 and 300 meters. Please don't tell me you can shoot MOA at that distance. You are obviously better than me. What power scope would assist these weary old eyes to achieve much better results at these distances.And I must ad I don't want to spend 2 thousand dollars on new scopes.
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Post by bladeracer » 14 Mar 2017, 1:18 pm

colinbentley wrote:Thanks for all the well intentioned advice. But no one really answered my question. What power scope would you recommend for benchrest accuracy at 2 and 300 meters. Please don't tell me you can shoot MOA at that distance. You are obviously better than me. What power scope would assist these weary old eyes to achieve much better results at these distances.And I must ad I don't want to spend 2 thousand dollars on new scopes.



I think it was answered in as much as nobody can see why you shouldn't be able to shoot just fine with your current magnification. Has anybody else tried shooting your rifle at 200m to see if it's a problem with the scope or a problem with your eyes? Have you tried shooting 200m with any other rifles?
Can you clearly see the target you are aiming at?
It's not a first focal plane scope is it?
I could loan you one of my 4.5-18x40's but I'm two hours out of Melbourne.
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Post by Apollo » 14 Mar 2017, 1:30 pm

I would suggest something variable up to 25x at least, reasonable quality like a Leupold, Bushnell etc but in 2nd Focal Plane.

For Reticle you can have something simple like just a Crosshair, Crosshair with a dot in the centre or even the likes of what Leupold call Varmint Hunters which has hold over markings. Some have windage and elevation markings which help when it's windy to allow hold off to compensate rather than fiddle with the actual scope settings. With these also you can set a zero distance and if you want to say go from 200m to 300m without re-adjusting the scope you use a suitable hold over marking.

A lot also depends on the actual type of target you are shooting at. A huge Black Centre like in F-Class is much different to a tiny centre dot or circle common for benchrest.
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Post by colinbentley » 14 Mar 2017, 1:43 pm

I think in part it may be the scope (and my inexperience ) The crosshairs are thicker than I would like, even at 100 metres. Maybe later in the year I should invest in a couple of new scopes. Next time I'm at the range if I can find n experienced shooter I'll see if he can do any better. With my range though in Mildura when I go mid week I usually have the range all to myself. Bit different to my days at Little River when I knew absolutely nothing. Head space......never heard of it. Now I know a little bit so less likely to do myself an injury. But shooting is a strange sport, ask a question and get 10 different answers.
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Post by Gwion » 14 Mar 2017, 2:49 pm

Definitely want as fine a reticle as you can focus onto your target. As for magnification, there are two schools of thought:
1/ get as high a mag as you can afford
2/ anything over about 18x shows up the slightest movement, breath or heart beat, making it very distracting.

The scope I bought is max 17x and I find it more than adequate at 600yd. You just need to balance what works for you. If you can keep a very still behind the rifle (always the goal) then higher mag makes it easier a
To "aim small, miss small".

It's really a question that can't be definitively answered by anyone else to suit you.
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Post by Apollo » 14 Mar 2017, 3:54 pm

When I first started my own training for competition target shooting some years ago I was using a March 8-80x56mm Scope for 500 metres. Not only the getting used to the very small exit pupil size but I encountered the problems with breathing and more so heart beat pulse.

A very, very experienced international shooter gave me a few hints. Relax..!!! Don't strangle your rifle and again relax your grip. That solved everything once I got used to the new ideas.

The very high magnification shows up a lot of errors in shooting style that would have never come to light with a low power scope. The errors would have still been there and also hence the innacuracy result on a target. It's second nature now to have a light grip, no cheek weld, keep the butt end just above shoulder height, no applied pressure into the shoulder and all this results into the rifle returning back to battery on the rests and a perfect view of the results without even thinking about any of it. Plus sitting upright with a straight back and the correct height stool to use.

I have a number of scopes, very expensive. Powers of up to 80x, 60x 50x etc even for use at precision short range 100 & 200 Yard competition.

Even if one can't afford an expensive high power scope I believe it would be a huge learning curve to borrow the use of one and learn to fix errors in your shooting style that then come to light. It's got to help every aspect of one's own shooting skills even if it's only knocking a bunny in the head at 50 metres.

I have a typical training rifle I offer to others when the situation presents itself and it's not that expensive to do. It's one of my long range outfits but switch the barrel to a very accurate calibre... 30BR and away they go. 30BR is a "Shoot for Score" calibre out to say 300 metres but typically 100 & 200. Nobody yet in any reports I have read anywhere in the world has anyone worn out a 30BR chambered barrel so that part doesn't worry me.
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Post by Gamerancher » 14 Mar 2017, 5:03 pm

Can't hit what you can't see. 3 -9 x 40 as a target scope? :lol: You aren't going to be putting down much of a group @ 300m when your cross-hair is covering about 3 inches or more of the target. As for 500m, I just hope your target is big enough to hang out the sides of those cross-hairs. ;)
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Post by Gwion » 15 Mar 2017, 11:11 am

Gamerancher wrote:Can't hit what you can't see. 3 -9 x 40 as a target scope? :lol: You aren't going to be putting down much of a group @ 300m when your cross-hair is covering about 3 inches or more of the target. As for 500m, I just hope your target is big enough to hang out the sides of those cross-hairs. ;)


Again; I don't think anyone is suggesting the 3-9 power scope is ideal for target shooting but you should be able to get on target with it if that's all you have.

I think some of you guys who own s heap of guns forget that everyone has to start some where.

Personally, if I were the ColinBentiegh, I would be going back to basics at short range with a 22lr before I started shelling out for new scopes, etc.. It is evident from his comments that a heap of cheap practice would help a lot. I can't, for the life of me, figure out how/why he is grouping 1" at 100m but can't hit squat at 200..... Practice, practice, practice. 22lr is by far the cheapest and easiest way to get that practice in! I'd be back to the 22lr until I could consistently plug sub-inch groups at 50m without trying too hard, then I'd get back on the 223 and see how much I had improved.

Colin, one more thing: are you adjusting your scope for 200m or just shooting it as per your 100m zero?
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Post by bladeracer » 15 Mar 2017, 11:44 am

Gwion wrote:I can't, for the life of me, figure out how/why he is grouping 1" at 100m but can't hit squat at 200..... Practice, practice, practice. 22lr is by far the cheapest and easiest way to get that practice in! I'd be back to the 22lr until I could consistently plug sub-inch groups at 50m without trying too hard, then I'd get back on the 223 and see how much I had improved.



Me either, that's why I suggested checking focus, parallax and cheek weld.
The only other thing I can think of is if he can't clearly see the target he's aiming at - thus trying a larger target might help.
Maybe heavy mirage or gusting winds but I'm sure he would've mentioned those.

Definitely a few thousand rimfire rounds would pay huge dividends.
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Post by Gamerancher » 16 Mar 2017, 9:15 am

All good Gwion, but I was answering the question he asked. " What strength scope would be recommended for 2 or 300 metres? " He says he's bench shooting at targets. Hence my statement that 3-9 x 40 aint what he needs. Okay, I probably should have suggested something about what may be a better choice but there were plenty of posts already about that. I think we need an emoticon for smartar$e remarks. ;) I shall try to refrain in the future. :drinks:
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Post by Gwion » 16 Mar 2017, 9:43 am

Gamerancher wrote:All good Gwion, but I was answering the question he asked. " What strength scope would be recommended for 2 or 300 metres? " He says he's bench shooting at targets. Hence my statement that 3-9 x 40 aint what he needs. Okay, I probably should have suggested something about what may be a better choice but there were plenty of posts already about that. I think we need an emoticon for smartar$e remarks. ;) I shall try to refrain in the future. :drinks:


No worries, mate. I know it's funny to you guys when someone starts off with completely the "wrong" gear but we all start somewhere. I shot f-clas for 6 months with a 3-9x40 and a 223rem with 50gn bullets! :lol: :shock: :crazy: :wtf: :lol:
Shot my wallaby rifle (short, heavy barrel 223rem) at 300 the other week to get a zero and managed a 2" group with the same scope. Just saying you can make it work for starters, even if it is not ideal.
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Post by Gamerancher » 16 Mar 2017, 10:03 am

Agreed, start with what ya got! I started high power silhouette with my hunting rifle at that time. L61R Sako in .257 Roberts with a 6 x 42 Kahles. Zeroed at 300m, I held foot of the 200m chicken , middle of the 300m pig, head height of the 385m turkey and had to hold top of the thick post of the duplex about horn height of the 500m ram.
I shot that rifle like that for a few months until I turned up to a major event where they weighed your rifle. Turns out my walk-about hunting rifle was too heavy for the 4.6kg limit! :lol: Had to build a dedicated rifle after that.
Getting back on point, he asks what would we recommend, I'd recommend getting a dedicated target scope with target turrets, adjustable for paralex, adjustable magnification from 6 - 20 X with fine crosshair, target dot or combination of both for 2 -300m target work. Happy days. :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by colinbentley » 10 Apr 2017, 1:55 pm

came home from the range today and the first thing I do is clean my rifle. Instead of Bore Tech Eliminator today I thought I would revert back to Wipeout. Well after I considered it clean I put through some Bore tech Eliminator and low and behold the patches started coming out blue. I always thought Wipeout got out all the copper, but obviously not. Will stick with Bore tech in future. Anyone want to buy a can of Wipeout ?
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